F430 Scud and 16M are the only modern F's I'm interested in How does the Scud compare to a Ford GT ? Anybody tried them both ? Thanks
I own a Ford GT. You can make INSANE horsepower with those cars! Ours has 737 at the wheels, with a whipple supercharger. There are several people with twin turbo setups that are pushing well over 1000hp at the wheels. That being said, I have not been able to drive a scud. Last note: The ford will probably hold its value for a longer time than the scud.
I personally have not. There is, however, a segment on Top Gear where Jeremy Clarkson and his cohorts do a comparison drive of the Ford GT vs. Ferrari and I think at least one other car. The Ford GT if I recall correctly was described as great car for long distance cruising as it had more torque and was quieter and smoother. But no luggage space. The front compartment, which on Ferraris is relatively spacious, appears similarly so on the Ford GT, but only when you open it. When you close the lid, the gigantic air scoop (indentation; don't know what else to call it) in the Ford eats almost all that apparent room. Clarkson adored the F430 for its driving dynamics and practicality. I'm sure he'd like a Scud or 16M that much better. Anyone know how many 16Ms were imported to the US? I hardly ever see them either on the road or offered for sale.
Scuds have dropped like rocks in value by near 50% Seems GTs are doing far better in that performance I've seen 3 or 4 16Ms in Miami, sweet ride
That's not terribly surprising. They only made a handful of Ford GTs over a two year model run of 2005-6, I think.
I think both have dropped about the same percentage -- which is more money in the Scud. In the long run, the Ford should hold value better because -- it's a smaller production run, it's a very unique Ford (probably the only super car they will ever build) and it should be lower in maintenance/repair down the road. The GT is also very pretty. The Scud looks viscous but the Ford is better looking. Looks do count for something when you buy a super car.
William, I own both. Two completely different cars, but both a blast to drive. My Heritage Ford GT has a pulley/tune/short shift upgrade and will easily out accelerate the Scud, but the Scud has better brakes, better steering, better sound and is easier to drive fast. It's more modern. The GT generates a lot of attention, more than the Ferrari. The iconic design takes your breath away. And I love the Gulf Oil livery. People of all ages relate to it. Ford GTs are trending up in value. Scuds are trending downward. PM me if I can help you in any way.
Haven't heard of any for $140 but you may by end of 2011 I heard of Scuds selling near $400 near their peak, the other day an F dealer told me they were in the low $200s now so a private sale could concievably be in the $190s w a motivated seller
Anyone remember the threads on FChat back in '04 and '05 that predicted that Ford GT values would drop like stones due to overproduction?
I honestly think that Ford is on a SERIOUS comeback! $2B profit in the 1st qtr., and the GT is still holding value (or increasing), and they are coming out w/ "special" edition Mustangs every other day. On top of that, NO BAILOUT $ Amazing...An American car company that may actually have some clout around the world against Ferrari, etc.! Lambos are dropping like flies as far as value too I actually saw a nice Ford Fusion today that I think I could actually drive as a sedan w/ the kids!!! You can now actually buy a decent 360 for the same $ as a 355! Although I prefer the 355's styling, the 360's reliability is a LOT better. My relationship w/ my 97' 355 spider I would compare w/ the one of my ex- wife... I would still "drive" it if it didn't have the "baggage"
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying the Ford GT has held its value so well. I can buy a Ford GT for 130-150k all day long in great condition and with low miles. I guess relative to its MSRP it has held up well but it too is dropping in value. Scuderias can be bought for 190-210k for a 2008 and not much more for a 2009. The Scuderia hasn't quite lost 50% of its value but it has lost 30-40%. I want someone to chime in on a stock vs stock comparison. I don't care about modified vs stock comparisons. Which car is faster stock?
Rival! Ferrari F430 Ford GT List price est $171,000 $149,995 Price as tested est $200,204 $173,845 Curb weight est 3150 lb 3500 lb Engine, transmission 4.3L V-8, 6-speed manual 5.4L suprchgd V-8, 6-speed manual Horsepower, bhp @ rpm 483 @ 8500 550 @ 6500 060 mph 3.5 sec 3.6 sec 0100 mph 8.1 sec 8.0 sec 01320 ft (1/4 mile) 11.7 sec @ 120.1 mph 11.7 sec @ 125.8 mph Top speed 198 mph 205 mph Braking from 60 mph 113 ft 122 ft Braking from 80 mph 192 ft 214 ft Skidpad 0.90g (Spider) 1.00g Slalom 70.9 mph (Spider) 69.6 mph Fuel mileage est 12.0 mpg est 14.0 mpg Road and Track has the stock Ford GT slightly faster than a stock 430, which means a Scud would eat its lunch. Plus the Ford GT engine is an undersquare, souped up, all aluminum truck engine pushing the limit on piston speed. That is why the redline is so low. I wondered why I had a hard time finding bore and stroke on the new 2011 Mustang engine in MT and C&D. Lo and behold, another undersquare engine with a bore of 3.62 in and stroke of 3.65 in. Wonder if Ford asked them not to publicize those numbers? But then the latest Gallardos have a bore of 84.5 mm and a stroke of 92.8 mm and turn 8000 rpm, so what do I know? Do not even want to know what piston speed is on one of those and will stay away from one because of the undersquare engine. Taz Terry Phillips
Well, the GT is 4-5 years old ('05 and '06) and has lost 15-20% of value, while the scud is 1-2 years old and has lost 30-40%. Add to that the scud is a semi-limited production Ferrari, which should be about as good as it gets for holding value, and the GT is a car that was said by many to be poised for a huge drop.... and I think it's hard to say the GT has NOT held its value well. Don't forget - like everyone always does - the scud is tested on R-compounds, the GT on summer tires. That makes a HUGE difference. Hoosiers on a GT with a simple pulley and tune is going to be a hard car to drive away from.
50%? Not even close. Maybe cause you guys pay such high premiums over sticker. we only lose about 10% per year here...
Then maybe you need some remedial math skills? You yourself say: And with MSRP of $150k 4 years ago you can't understand why that is holding value well?
You forgot: with a rock solid bottom end, easily modifiable for 750HP all day long, 650HP if you are more the conservative type.
I like the Gt, especially in a dark color or dark gray, but the interior is just so awful that I never really can get past that. To my thinking the seats and door panels alone are a deal killer. They sure sound great though.
MC- I am just prejudiced against long stroke engines. A personal thing, I guess, because I would love to have a Ford GT. Have loved them since I got to drive a GT40 Mk 1 in 1968 or so. Was an amazing car for 42 years ago. Souped up was not the original question. If I had one, it would remain stock. Taz Terry Phillips
