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F40 air conditioning wiring diagram required.

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  1. ChrisKing

    ChrisKing Karting

    Dec 29, 2016
    52
    UK
    Hi all,

    this is my first post on here, I've been a lurker for a while, and this forum has been a great source of information for me. I work at a Ferrari specialist in the UK, and am having trouble with the air conditioning on an F40. I'm looking to locate, and test the components on the system, but need a wiring diagram to do so. Does anyone out there possess this? I'd be very grateful if someone could assist with this!

    Many thanks,

    Chris.
     
  2. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
    Consultant Professional Ferrari Technician

    Sep 18, 2002
    19,826
    The Cold North
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    Tom
    Dig back into the 308/328 wiring diagrams.they should be very clos, or at least point you in a direction.
     
  3. Motob

    Motob Formula 3
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    Nov 11, 2003
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    The A/C / Heating control system on an F40 is nothing like a 308/328. It has an ECU that looks at an in-car temp sensor (on the panel behind the headliner) and the requested temperature control signal and then either engages the A/C compressor clutch or cycles the electric heater valve on/off. The ECU on an F40 is the same part as a Testarossa/512TR/512M, so the wiring diagram from any of those cars should guide you in the right direction. It is a very simple system.
     
  4. ChrisKing

    ChrisKing Karting

    Dec 29, 2016
    52
    UK
    Thanks guys.

    I've looked the 328 diagram, but this has a completely different system, the same with 348.

    Is the ecu a small Bosch unit behind the fuse box lid inside the car? I did see the sensor on Eurospares, but couldn't locate it. Unfortunately the workshop manual doesn't show it either, so thank you for that information Motab. I can get the compressor to engage if I feed it battery voltage, so it's definitely a wiring/control issue.

    Thanks again.
     
  5. Motob

    Motob Formula 3
    Professional Ferrari Technician

    Nov 11, 2003
    2,338
    Frederick, Maryland
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    Like I said, the Testarossa wiring diagrams from the same time period will have the correct wiring connections at the climate control ECU as the F40 (since they use the same ECU)
    The ECU is a plastic rectangular box on the backside of the passenger footplate with two separate electrical connectors on it. I have never seen one go bad. It is basically separated into two parts. The A/C portion looks at the input from the temp control knob and a temp sensor inside the evaporator housing and then cycles the compressor on/off depending on the inputs. The heater portion looks at the in-car temp sensor (the little plastic dome in the headliner panel behind the seats, a heater temp sensor in the housing and the temp control knob input and powers the heater valve closed (which is just an electro-magnet with a plunger valve). For more heat it cycles the valve on/off. At either end of the temp control the valve will be fully powered closed or no power (open). You can check power at the valve connector with a 12v injector noid light. There is a main power bosch type relay in the fusebox that supplies power to the system. Have you checked the refrigerant charge in the system? The main reason that the compressor clutch might not have power is that low freon charge causes the low pressure switch on the receiver-drier to open.
     
  6. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
    5,905
    Isle of man- uk
    Like the mans says, try shorting the wires on the pressure switch fitted to the drier, if not try disconnecting the wire- if i remember correctly with the mondial you should hear the compressor clutch engaging/ disengaging - you need the ignition on but not the engine running. If that works then the pressure switch is no good or you have lost the gas- this protects the compressor from running with no gas.
    If you get it working, put your hand on both pipes on the drier, they should both be cool but if the outlet is colder than the inlet then the drier is getting blocked- this has the effect of the liquid freon expanding over the blockage and causing the drop in temperature- this liquid expansion normally occurs over the expansion valve prior to the evaporator in the car.
     
  7. ChrisKing

    ChrisKing Karting

    Dec 29, 2016
    52
    UK
    The system is gassed - its just been fitted with a reconditioned compressor due to leakage. I found the internal temperature sensor unplugged, so plugged it in hoping it would work, but to no avail. Its recently had a pressure sensor too, I've come in to the diagnosis half way through. I'm relatively new to Ferrari, I have 16 years in the motor trade, but that can only get you so far if you've no product knowledge!

    I've just obtained a Testarossa wiring diagram, so will work my way through this and see if I can pinpoint the issue.

    Mike, as you mentioned, I don't get the compressor clicking with the ignition on and turning the fan on - I'm going to try warming up the interior temp sensor as it may deem it cold enough to not need the AC? Its pretty cold here in the UK at the moment!
     
  8. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    Try the wires on the pressure switch on the drier as i had to replace mine as it was stopping the compressor clutch engaging
     
  9. ChrisKing

    ChrisKing Karting

    Dec 29, 2016
    52
    UK
    Issue is all sorted now thanks folks. The internal temp sensor was unplugged during rear engine lid removal. Sadly it wasn't plugged back in while the AC system was being checked. I plugged it back in, but the system still didn't work - A minute or so in front of our heater and it clicked straight in. A definite lesson learnt today, just shows that you cant know how every system works on every car out there - well, until you get an issue!

    Thanks again, Chris.
     
  10. Rnye

    Rnye Karting

    Mar 17, 2014
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    Sweet! Easy "fixes" are the best.

    I didn't even know F40s had AC - lol
     
  11. 4redude

    4redude Formula Junior

    Jan 13, 2005
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    Didja know the F40's had a heated windshield?
     
  12. Oversteer40

    Oversteer40 Rookie

    Mar 15, 2017
    43
    Hi all

    I wonder if anyone here knows enough about the F40 A/C system to help try get mine working ?

    The compressor clutch does engage but the air doesn't get very cold at all, feeling the hoses in and out of the dryer, tx valve or condensor they don't seem hot cold or any different, I have tested all the sensors on the ac control module plug and they are all close to each other in temp going off the resistance chart I have, hot cold knob resistance is ok.

    Where should I look next ?

    ..and are the 2 Schrader valves on the 90 degree fittings screwed into the pump the only fill/hi low ports ?
     
  13. Ferrari Tech

    Ferrari Tech Formula 3

    Mar 5, 2010
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    Find a tech that can check the freon level. Probably low on freon.
    Yes, the two ports on the compressor are the only ports on that system.
     
  14. Oversteer40

    Oversteer40 Rookie

    Mar 15, 2017
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    I put my gauges on it this afternoon and you might be right, low side was only ~20psi with engine off and went to zero when running, no pressure high side.

    Will vac and refill and see, anyone know how much gas it takes ?
     
  15. Oversteer40

    Oversteer40 Rookie

    Mar 15, 2017
    43
    Ok takes 1.1Kg... its in the owners manual ;)

    Does anyone know how the engine fans are triggered by the AC ?

    Are they supposed to run with AC ?
     

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