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F40 adjustable suspension - on the road

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  1. ferrarifixer

    ferrarifixer F1 Veteran
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    I'm lucky enough to have driven 6 or 7 different F40's, but this week I drove my first adjustable suspension car.

    It came in for some varying faults, one of which was the failing to raise after long lay up; which I've fixed by fitting an override switch under the dash, as per Ferrari info received. Although the correct dealer fix is to install a new ECU, extended reservoir pipe and bottle etc.... but no-body has any parts.

    So anyway, I drove the car around the block, to "settle" it all down and to lower the suspension in readiness for a 4 wheel alignment (it's just had all the wishbone pick up points replaced under recall).

    I have to say it drives awful compared to the std suspended cars. Granted the tyres, although "new" are 7 years old, but it's bumpy and non compliant, and just plain freaky.

    The warning lamp flashes each time you stop and it raises itself a little (not kerb climbing height, just higher than travelling). I don't like it.

    Is it normal... are other F40 adjust cars like this too?

    I noticed that when the car is jacked up with the wheels off the ground, that the front springs are slack on their perches. They're very soft too, so all the real ride quality is determined by the hydraulics....

    I don't like it... Did I say that already?!
     
  2. zsnnf

    zsnnf Formula 3

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    Funny, Rod at FAI just said the same thing about mine! :)
    And YES, everything you say is true. I bet you really love the way the front end "Hunts" for the right hieght around 50 mph....

    Rick
     
  3. ferrarifixer

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    Thanks for the confirmation

    I need to refine my wish list from F40, to F40 NON adjust thanks!! Or better yet, just a 288.
     
  4. zsnnf

    zsnnf Formula 3

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    LOL....
    But you can drive the car on almost any unknown road and not have to worry about it being too low and bottoming out.
     
  5. allanb888

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    I have now had the problem of the suspension needing resetting a few times, after the car is not used for even only a short time. I try to reset by shorting the 2 low pressure switches, but it hasn't worked every time.

    Do you reset the system by shorting both low pressure switches? Do you do the reset with ignition off, on or engine running? Can you please send me details of exactly how the reset switch is wired in? I want to fit one.

    I have heard that sometimes the ride height potentiometers give a reading outside the acceptable range due to the suspension settling after a long period without use. The solution is to jack the car slightly. Have you heard about that?

    Without raising the ride height, I can't get the F-40 over the gutter into my driveway. I find that the long overhangs don't take much of an incline before they hit.
     
  6. ferrarifixer

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    Hi Allan.

    pop in again and i'll copy/show you what I've done to the car that's in right now.

    be quick though, cos it'll be gone by friday.
     
  7. Milan

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    Can you tell me more about the override switch and the correct dealer fix? I'm having only problems with the adjustable suspension on my F40. Sometime I have absolutely no problem with the suspension, the other day the warning light goes on after I run my car for 50-80km. I can reset the system by turning the ignition off/on, then it works normally for another 10km or so. Also I can hear some strange noise coming from the engine bay like when a hydraulic pump is running. Any idea what's wrong?

    Milan
     
  8. ferrarifixer

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    No idea what the noise is in the engine bay. The pump is electric and in the front.

    The override switch just grounds both the low pressure switches, and is operated during start up so that the car primes itself.

    The dealer fix is to use a modified ECU (exchange your own with a long wait involved), and also to use an expansion reservoir system for greater oil capacity.

    The overall height of the car is simply set by the levers/potentiometers on the anti roll bars, and you can play with it to suit your needs.... maybe it's loose or damaged on your car?

    Most likely though is that you have a bad/broken wiring connection somewhere, if you have an intermittant fault on an otherwise healthy car.
     
  9. allanb888

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    I assume you checked the hydraulic fluid level. If the level is low, the pump will suck air and never build up sufficient pressure to open the low pressure switches that switch the pump off. The pump motor (under the front hood) will then keep running.
     
  10. ferrarifixer

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    Good point allan.

    On the car I just did, I remote operated both return solenoids to lower the car completely, then filled the level to just below the filler hole. Then, when the car is raised to "slow" mode as per normal stationary position, the level drops, but DONT top it up in this position, as it will over flow when lowered.

    Check for leaks around the hose fittings and also the accumulators in front and back too.
     
  11. zsnnf

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    Phil,
    You seem to have a good understanding of this system. I have 2 questions for you.

    #1. If you were to install a bypass switch to stop the system from being active. How would you do it? Would you interupt the ignition feed, or?

    #2 I noticed that the front end gains positive camber in the middle position. This means that when you driving at moderate speeds the front end has positive not negative camber in the front tires. Have you ever done anything to the front suspension to try and stop this.

    Thanks,
    Rick
     
  12. ferrarifixer

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    I don't think you could run it disabled without having the warning lamp flashing annoyingly.....

    But the whole system is controlled by the 2 feed and 2 return solenoids under the front panel, and each can be powered and operated at will (quite fun!), any good auto electrician could rig up some switches for this, but I advise against it.

    I'm afraid my advice here is to change the suspension/car for non adjustable!!

    With regard to the positive camber problem... The car I just did seemed to behave fairly well between heights, with manageable camber changes. It did have too little camber initially, but I set it to factory specs and all is well.

    Maybe on your car the wishbones have been attached incorrectly to the chassis.... there are two positions, and as std the arms should be attached into the upper holes, both top and bottom.
     
  13. zsnnf

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    The a arms are in the upper holes. If you raise the car with the tester you can watch the tire camber out then back in as you lower it. I do feel a big difference when cornering tight low speed 2nd gear corners with the car in the mid position as opposed to the low position. Yes, the fixed set up would be great for performance, but there is not a day that I drive the car that I am not thankfull that I can raise it up to go over some bump or driveway. It would be nice to be able to set the car in the low position and leave it there until you need it to stand up. Any thoughts on how to do this??

    Rick
     
  14. ferrarifixer

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    Theoretically, if you interrupted the speed signal once the car is fully lowered, it wouldn't raise when slowing. But you would need to do this ECU side of the speedo sensor to keep your speedo and miles reading displayed correctly.

    Then it would need to be re-established to allow you to re-lower it after you'd raised it to climb the kerb.

    But this is not really practical.

    The entrance to my shop has a fairly steep slope, and even on "normal" height, a std car just gets in. Maybe your default heights are too low? Adjusting the potentiometers will fix this.

    A 288 can climb most kerbs anyway.........!
     
  15. zsnnf

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    I think if you interupt just the speedo signal it will do just the opposite of what you are saying. At stand still the car goes to mid position front and High position rear with the engine running. Is there a tach signal? I *think* if you were to interupt that signal to the ECU , the ECU will think the key is on and not running. You would then be able to Dump the system with 3 cycles of the rocker switch. Once again if it doesn't know the engine is running, why would it raise up?
    You could then at any time hit a switch to re-establish the tach signal and the car would go to the mid position. My only question is if you don't interupt the speedo as well, we may get a failure code......

    Your thoughts?

    And the ride heights are correct. I have a tester.

    Rick
     
  16. ferrarifixer

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    I'm not aware of the "3 cycles of switch" thing... please elaborate.

    Your tester can only tell you electrical and hydraulic functions. The actual height of the car needs to measured mechanically, to ensure the correct heights match the potentiometer position. To do this the EXACT referance point must be established.... and I'm still trying to clarify this, as I don't have a manual for an adjustable car.

    yes, I think the fault code would pop up if ANY electrical changes were made......

    A NON adjust F40 or a 288 has none of these irksome gremlins!!

    I agree, the adjust is handy on occasion, but it has too many disadvantages on the road for me.... although I'd love to have a fang on a track and feel the difference.
     
  17. zsnnf

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    To relieve hydraulic pressure in the system when parked and to lower the car to the #1 position :
    Turn the key to the run position. The yellow light on the dash should flash. Cycle the rocker switch with the shock on it 3 times. This should relieve pressure in the system and lower the car. To raise the car to #2 position, simply start the engine. To raise the front to the #3 position, push in at the top of the rocker switch with the engine running and the car stopped for more than 3 seconds.

    So I guess to trick the system into the #1 position you need to either interrupt the tach signal and cycle the rocker switch (should be easy to do) or send it an artificially high speedo signal (not sure how to do that) or remove the ignition signal after the car has reached a high speed and lowered itself. (also easy to do) This way the light in the dash would be off also. Maybe the best way because you could thereby shut the system off if you didn't need it to negotiate a driveway.

    I have the pages of the manual for this system if you would like them.

    Rick
     
  18. ferrarifixer

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    Yes, have swatted up a bit more now. Interrupt ignition supply to ECU once car is moving and lowered seems reasonable solution, but for me it just doesn't "feel" like a good thing to be doing.

    I've found some info on ride heights too. The system is supposed to raise the car 20mm from Normal and lower it 20mm from normal.

    But the handbook and manual have different referances and also the tyre type/size is supposed to influence settings too.

    No time right now, but I'll write it up soon hopefully.
     

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