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  1. phrogs

    phrogs F1 Veteran
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    We just need a leonardo and rent it out between all of us.

    Give up your firstborn and they will be returned upon return of the computer.

    sounds fair right
     
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  2. WATSON

    WATSON Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I am dangerously close to just buying one.
     
  3. taz355

    taz355 F1 Veteran
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    I bought one a few years ago and I love it. If your going to keep your car it’s pretty handy
     
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  4. INTMD8

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    What I suspected, thank you for the confirmation. That being said, I can't see any possibility of reduced wear by selecting neutral. If trans controller keeps clutch at edge of engagement point, just select the next gear you intend to use. (IMO)
     
  5. taz355

    taz355 F1 Veteran
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    I could be wrong but after rereading the f1 clutch engagement section it looks like it only puts the clutch up to the PIS
    When a gear is selected.
    This is why I think it kicks you to neutral if you wait to long in gear with your foot off the brake but not giving enough engine rpm for the system to see the transmission spin.
    It’s definitely open to interpretation that’s for sure because it is not black and white.
     
  6. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    I just deleted the video I made using a scope camera where the video shows the position of the TO bearing while engine is off, engine is on in N, gear selection and engagement. I thought I did not need it anymore. The Ferrari F1 system does not operate the clutch like a driver with a 6 speed. I gotta make another one and keep it this time.

    Driver with manual gearbox:
    Foot off the clutch = Clutch is "closed" and no pressure on TO bearing.
    Foot slightly on the clutch (riding the clutch) = some pressure on the TO bearing and the clutch is beginning its slippage. In the F1 system, they call it PIS. Drivers are advised to never ride the clutch.
    Foot all the way down the clutch pedal = Clutch is fully released and driver selects the next gear.
    Foot off the clutch

    F1 system:
    Engine off, in neutral, no hydraulic pressure against the TO bearing = clutch is Closed, clutch position is known as Closed position by F1 system.
    Engine On, in Neutral = F1 system applies hydraulic pressure against the TO bearing and pushes the TO bearing up right before the point of initial slippage (PIS)
    Gear Shift is called for = F1 systems applies more hydraulic pressure in the line, presses the TO bearing beyond the PIS and fully releases the clutch, next gear is selected, and TO bearing is backed off to just before PIS. This is why the PIS is very important to the F1 system and it re-calibrated at every start up.
    While the engine is running, the TO bearing never goes back to its at-rest engine off position.
    This is also the reason why there is always losses of hydraulic pressure when the engine is running and no gear shifts are called for. This is called "Leakage with Valve On"
     
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  7. taz355

    taz355 F1 Veteran
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    Would a camera catch the 2mm clearance they talk about or at least I thought I read.

    would another way to test this be the difference between turning the wheels with engine off versus when at idle on jacks??
    I don’t really, in principle, disagree with what you said but my understanding from your post was it is rubbing, and rubbing enough to wear the clutch much faster.

    I thought it had a very slight clearance, again technically rubbing slightly in my mind would not be an issue but if it’s pressing very hard you would think it would get hot.
    I learn something new everyday.
    Thanks Mitchell
     
  8. taz355

    taz355 F1 Veteran
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    So what we need is a button on the steering wheel that allows no hydraulic pressure to reach the bearing if the computer sees neutral
    And no button is pressed.
    When you want to go you press button and hold, grab gear then let go of button because computer knows your in gear and has clutch a pic like what happens now. No more neutral slipping. we need Wolfgang to incorporate that into the programming.

    I thought that’s actually the way it worked but it sensed the brake pedal as the button.
    Again thanks Mitchell for your insite and testing. Your the only one I know that likes proof like me.
     

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