Newbie question here. What is so much different in the TDF that makes it so much more expensive than an F12? Been a Corvette guy for years, still learning this Ferrari thing. Thanks for the help.
The F12 TDF basically is a more sporty F12 Berlinetta with some of the fancy features we find now on the 812. I believe that the only reason that justifies the big price difference between the F12 Berlinetta and the F12 TDF is exclusivity. If I'm not wrong only 799 TDFs have been produced in comparison with around 5000 Berlinettas and that's a big difference.
I ve owned both cars and they are both great. The TDF is a much more aggressive car, completely different handling -the virtual short wheel base makes it a more nervous but more responsive car- and to my eyes at least a truly stunning Ferrari from a visual standpoint. Is it worth 3 times the price of a F12? Of course not. Is it a better car? No question Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
You will never know by someone telling or writing. You have to drive tdf to know and even that will not tell you all until you exploit the limit of the tdf. After that, if you fell in love with tdf, you will still have hard time to justify the used market price for tdf. It is truly one of a kind, and for me, Ferrari at its best. They will never make this lively and dangerous car again. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
I understand that there is a certain "it" factor and intangibles that are hard to write or talk about without experiencing. I am assuming, though, that there are certain tangibles that can be written or talked about. For instance, a shorter wheel base was described above. I am assuming it is lighter weight as well and perhaps more power. I guess I will need to wiki this because now you have me curious!
That is a totally inaccurate assertion. You may as well just say a 458 Speciale is the same as an Italia! [emoji1750][emoji3603] The TDF is not only lighter, but contains engine components from the FXX program, plus a complete rework of the aero package and IMPORTANTLY for this car 4 wheel steering to balance the huge profile front tyres that give it its awesome precision turn in. It was designed to be a race car for the road. Gear shifts are lightning fast and seamless. And it’s exhaust note is epic by comparison. This guy explains it well. Worth a watch - jump to 3:58 for the narrative if you prefer Drive it and you’ll understand Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
So true! Sound is totally different. 812 sound is somewhat tame and boring comapred to tdf. And the rev spins up like no other. You might think that 812 be a 80% tdf but tdf is just not evolved f12 or sharphened up 812. It is just tdf. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
oh, one more thing, those who were given allocations to Tdf have purchased many and lost much from prior repeated trade in. So it's not just about the car itself.
Chris said he wasn't familiar with the Ferrari world and asked a simple question "What is so much different in the TDF that makes it so much more expensive than an F12?" I tried to answer that question with my opinion. I never said the TDF is the same as the F12 Berlinetta. When I mentioned the TDF "is basically a more sporty F12B", to the indignation of some I could also have said that is a hardcore or track version of the F12B.
It's similar to a Speciale vs a 458 or a CS vs a 360 or a 599 GTO vs a 599. More aggressive tuning both drive train and suspension, aesthetics, and exclusivity. Sometimes the premium is double value wise, sometimes much more. On an absolute scale the car may be only 20% different but it amounts to a different experience. It's all in the details.
We all have our own views of these wonderful machines. Sometimes the price difference will make sense to us. Some times not. But the market is telling us the TDF is something unique, not an improved F12b. I don't think its disingenuous to consider the link to F12b, but when you put it all together, it works out to be so much more. The question Chris asked is a great one. You will slowly discover the differences. After you learn more about Ferrari, things that don't seem to make sense will begin to come into better focus.
Ahahahahah, guys, please be quick, we also have Israel/palestine, death penalty and gun laws to discuss
Not really. As @MDEL has said above, it's more about the limited tdf production numbers. Same story as a Speciale Aperta being worth nearly twice Speciale. Why? Because only 499 built vs 2-3k Speciales. Back to OP's question, I would also say it's worth comparing with the 812. While the tdf driving experience may be different, it doesn't necessarily mean its better. The bucking bronco tdf experience seems to have fans here, but the 4ws, chassis control electronics etc are all better evolved in the 812, and deliver a more polished package. My guess is that a nervous car like the tdf won't be in the hall of fame for driver's Ferraris in the long term. The styling etc may well be an attraction though.
Depends on how you define "better." Some of us actually like the absolutely furious, wild side of the Tdf, in a way similar to the way we like the wild side of the F40. The intimidation factor that comes with driving the Tdf/F40 adds to the excitement and drama of the event of driving (aka "taming") the Tdf. The Tdf is so much more raw than the 812, in sound and in drive dynamic... All this in addition to the fact that, to the eyes of at least some of us, the Pininfarina-inspired design of the Tdf is far more beautiful than the 812.... A modern day interpretation of the gorgeous 275 GTB. Compare the looks of the rear ends of the Tdf and 812 and some of you may agree.
I will have a side bet with you that you are absolutely 100% wrong - let’s catch up in a decade or so [emoji38] Also... the car is not “nervous”, although I will concede that the vast majority of its drivers are! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Don't just take my word for it... Listen to what this Tdf owner (and previous F12 owner) says WHILE he's driving an 812... Starting at about 1:20:
I can see that some people don't know how bad sand is to the health and well being of a car and motor!
