I currently have a GT3 Touring, (which is awesome) but I've been thinking about an F12. I know they are very different cars. Can any of you who have had or currently have an F12 in addition to the GT3 share your opinion? Thanks in advance.
I've had multiple GT3's and GT3 RS. Currently have an F12 and a Scuderia. All very different cars. In depends on what you are looking for. F12 is a great all-day cruiser. It's heavy with a relatively large steering wheel for the canyon rides. F12 isn't a great track car compared to the GT3. Too heavy. The engine sound is glorious in the F12!
From an experienced GT3/GT3RS driver's perspective. I'm sure a S-Class AMG driver will find it light as a fart
I have 991.2 GT3 Manual, carbon seats, clubsport package and an 2017 F12 with carbon seats. Will take GT3 all day and night over F12. GT3 is such an engaging mindblowing car….love the manual, the sound, the auto blip, the steering…its raw and pure fun. Also really like the looks of it. In contrary I never bonded with the F12…yes it is fast and loud, but it doesn’t do it for me. Plan on selling the F12, as I don’t drive it.
How would you compare the GT3 / RS vs the scud? What years were your GT cars? I’ve always heard fantastic things about the scud, but was always worried about the maintenance. Thanks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I own a 2019 GT3 RS WP and an 812SF which is a valid comparison to the original question. They are both the best at what their makers are capable of and are in no way direct competition and therefore cannot be compared. They complement each over in the same garage and I would really struggle on which one to sell if financially forced to. However back to the question I believe the F12 will offer at least equal thrills to the GT3 Touring albeit in a very different way. The former has a glorious V12 up front where the latter has a glorious Flat 6 in the very rear. One has a 7 speed DCT box and the other has a 6 speed Manual. They could not be any more different.! I find my 812SF more exciting as a fast road cruiser and the RS a much better car to take on track. I suspect the same for the F12 vs GT3 although both are ultimately less capable. One caveat is there is a huge difference between the 812 and F12 which might be a factor.
My last GT3 RS was a 2016. (I have a promised slot for a 992 RS. No idea when) The Scud is very engaging and requires more effort to drive fast on track. The RS is more like a cruise missile that does exactly what you tell it to do. There is a lot more suspension travel in the Scud which makes the car feel looser. My 2008 Scud has been very reliable with only standard maintenance. Although I always wonder when it will break. The RS feels unbreakable. Net the RS is a better track car. The Scud is more fun for caynon runs.
I have owned several GT3/RS’s, the latest being a 2019 RS with WP. It was an amazingly capable car - telepathic, and as mentioned above, the top of it’s game for what it was built for. I test drove the F12 and 812, and in the end sold the RS and bought the 812. The RS was so good, it was not as fun on the street. My use case has changed over the years, from wanting a car that can track and drive on roads, to more of a visceral experience on road. I rarely have time to track anymore, so I wanted something that would be more engaging every time I took it out, without having to go speeds that are not safe on normal roads. I’m sure some can relate - you can have a blast pushing a Miata around normal roads, taking turns at what feels like stupid speeds, but not break the speed limit. Of course an F12 or 812 has unreal power, but you don’t have to be pushing it all the time to feel like it’s special or to enjoy it. They are not as capable in the handling department. So in the end, what’s your use case? If you buy for your intended use(s), you will probably be happier in the end. If you just enjoy switching cars every so often, that works too!
Thanks for all the responses. As much as I'd like to, I don't track the GT3. Time and proximity are the limiting factors. I got the Touring thinking it would be the best of both worlds; something fun to drive when I'm by myself, and something I could take to dinner with my wife. Unfortunately, it's not as much "fun" unless I'm really "on it", and my wife doesn't want to go out in it because she thinks it's too uncomfortable. I think Jpacione summed it up perfectly: "My use case has changed over the years, from wanting a car that can track and drive on roads, to more of a visceral experience on road. I rarely have time to track anymore, so I wanted something that would be more engaging every time I took it out, without having to go speeds that are not safe on normal roads." Hmmm...
As someone who used to track a Viper ACR, then had a S63 AMG, now a F12, I can relate to all the feedback given in this thread. The ACR was fun on track (and on the street) when I was younger, but my use case has changed. Yes, the S63 AMG is a heavy car compared to the F12. Now I own an F12, it is perfect for my use case now and an experience every time I drive the car, I would not even consider another Viper or a GT3 for that matter versus the F12 at this point in life.
I work for Porsche and have an 812 GTS on order. The Porsche GT cars really come alive at the track. Ferrari are an event, even at low revs and speeds but can be wild at redline. The most fun street Porsche for me has actually been a 6 speed manual 718 GT4 with its smaller size and agility.
I have 991.1 GT3 and F12. GT3 is scalpel on track and weapon when driven hard. But as others have noted, most entertainment it offers is only when driven hard. F12 entertains regardless of venue and/or drive intensity. Two entirely different cars. Both great in their own elements. I find F12 to be better all-rounder, if for no other reason ride quality significantly better. GT3 harsh and overly taut for public roads, at least where I live.
I echo what others have said about my 991.2 3RS WP being less fun on street. I nearly sold it, but took the advice of a friend and got a DSC module. The car is the ultimate daily now and is fun again in the streets. I’m not adverse to harsh suspensions, but the RS becomes very unsettled with difficulty recovering over harsh roads and my local roads are identical to those in Iraq. The DSC module allows the car to put down its power all day long on street surfaces, and I’ve decided to keep the RS as a result. It’s worth a shot since you already have the touring in your garage. Good luck Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
And I can relate to all comments above. F12 (or 812) makes a much better car for long drives or to go to restaurants, or do both ;-) I don’t track both cars, have other cars for that. Use them for ‘weekend-fun’. And when having to pick the key, somehow I always pick up the GT3 key. As said, they make a great combo and are totally different.
I currently have a 992 GT3 (was lucky enough to get an allocation and actually receive the car this summer) and an F12. I’d say for my regular use - which is city driving and countryside visits to friends and family with say regular 100-150 mile trips on sometimes less heavily policed country roads, F12 gives me a better experience Why? Well, it is: 1. Much-much more powerful (and thus gives you a wider operating range for overtaking) - and you can really feel it when the rear wheels slip in 2nd and 3rd 2. More joyful - with the fast steering rack and somewhat lively suspension you are feeling that the car is really a prancing horse))) 3. Substantially more comfortable - both suspension-wise and seat wise (I have comfort seats in the F12 and the buckets in the GT3) 4. You can talk with your co-pilot or over the phone in an F12 while driving - in GT3 the cabin noise above 80-90 km/h makes it just impossible 5. Engine/exhaust noise - can’t say which is better, but while F12 still has exhaust noise, the GT3 is more induction with the new particle filters 6. Road presence - Ferrari is a Ferrari even in TdF blue, GT3 well - even in Shark Blue it is a 911 7. Boot - golf is possible with a F12 and a partner; possible but very cumbersome in a GT3 But then when you go to a track - and we have a very nice one quite close to Moscow - www.moscowraceway.ru - well, F12 becomes quite a handful…Well, you do have fun there, but then when you switch to a GT3 - then it all becomes very clear very fast… So… One needs to experience both If you track regularly, keep the 911 If you don’t, get the F12
Isn’t the GT3 Touring a different set up than the GT3 and/or the GT3 RS? I thought it was not set up as a track car - rather more like a touring set up and thus more of a comp to the F12/812. Am I wrong? John Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Touring has exactly the same power train and suspension settings as regular GT3. The only difference is aesthetics with removal of wing and painted front bumper.
F12 for sure. GT3 is nice, but does not feel special enough. The F12 is a supercar with all the quirks, the GT3 is a nice 911. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
I had a 2018 GT3 manual and also a 2018 Touring at the same time. Kept them both for over a year. Sold them both. Then bought a 458 spider and then added an F12. The GT3’s are better track cars and better canyon cars in terms of agility. The Ferrari’s offer a more emotional driving experience. I also think the Ferrari’s sound better, especially with the 12-cylinder and especially with a nice exhaust. I have no regrets at all with the swap, but some people may prefer the GT3’s. I have no interest in the new GT3. It offers me nothing more than the old cars in street driving, and may offer better handling on the track in the hands of a good driver. The Ferrari’s for me offer a way better sense of occasion anytime and anywhere. If I want a better track car, I would go buy a new Z06. In fact, I plan on getting it.
