F12 slow than MP12C and aventador in 1/4 Drag? Really?

Oh no! Better trade it in for something minuscully faster!

At this level it simply doesn't matter.

I assume the Mclaren time was done with the optional track tires in any case.

 

The F12 is able to complete 1/4 miles well under 11s from standig start
A Ferrari PE told me 1 Km < 19 s and > 290 Km/h of speed exit.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB7OjPWrzX0]Ferrari F12 Berlinetta Novitec Rosso 340 km/h on a German Highway - YouTube[/ame]

It's insane. That's a video of a Stock F12 BEFORE TUNING

 

Still, no one has done proper performance testing on F12 yet?!

 

Those Car and Driver figures are an estimate. Hence the "EST".

 

Well check this out about a totally stock 12c:

» McLaren MP4-12C runs 10.55 @ 134.56 MPH Drag Racing 1/4 Mile, quickest stock production car behind the Veyron - DragTimes.com Drag Racing, Fast Cars, Muscle Cars Blog

Pretty impressive.

Doesn't make me like my 12c any more, nor reduce my desire for getting the F12.

 

That EST info is from the preview drives done July 2012.
STILL no instrumented tests yet.
Hopefully real soon.

 

Just like someone else said, it really doesn't matter. If you wanted an F12, and didn't buy one because it's a few tenths slower than a Mclaren or Lambo, you're a fool.

It'll be interesting to see the numbers when actual testing has been done though.

 

Are these numbers realy important at things like bars or cars and coffee events? I can't imagine where else they'd matter.

 

Stock MP4:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuXwkbT6WUw]McLaren MP4-12C 1/4 Mile Drag Racing 10.55 @ 134.56 MPH Quickest Production Car other than Veyron - YouTube[/ame]

No one can deny it boogies. Best DD I've ever had...it just pains me to see the massive rate of depreciation. The Aventador seems to be holding value better, and the F12 will probably fair better than a McLaren imho.

 

Internet bragging rights rule above all; didn't you know that?? Just look at any thread involving LaFerrari/p4/5;McLaren. Some people need to spend more time trying to get l^id than wasting time over this trivial stuff. They are all great cars.
KEVIN

 

This is the classic example of why numbers don't matter.


It goes really fast... yet few people really care about that in the grand scheme of things.

A few tenths of a second matter little when you're stuck in traffic on the freeway all day.

 

No matter how fast you make a car, Don Garlits (John Force for the younger folks here) will make one faster ... but who cares because neither of those cars would be Ferrari's. None of the other cars in the world fulfill the Ferrari Experience. Don't get me wrong, the other cars are cool, just not a Ferrari.

Rick

 

Except p4/5 of course. That's the greatest car ever made. Don't believe me?? Just look at any thread on the Internet. It's even discussed on cooking forums.....

 

I, uuuh, can't buy one now that I know this. Damn...shattered...dreams. This world is cruel.

 

These kinds of threads make me think if Post Cereal made their own version of Kellogg's Frosted Flakes but tried to convince us to buy them because they were sweeter.

"Buy our frosted flakes because we have more sugar!".


BTW: I would say the same if the F12 were faster. Paying attention tiny differences to meaningless numbers is boring. How they feel when you drive them is not.

 

I think we are reaching a point of diminishing returns as far as performance is concerned. A Ferrari is no longer about being the fastest car its about the brand and how it makes the driver feel and I think the performance numbers will become less and less relevant as time passes.

 

To many this is very important. There are a lot of these cars bought to drive to the club,restaurants, stop light to stop light down the strip. This is something to look out for on low mileage cars. Short tripping, stop light dragging, high heel scuffs on the footwell panels, cooked clutches and tires and 800 miles in one year tells the story. Generally they flip them at this point and buy the next new thing.

 

I think its kind of sad anyone would care about a couple tenths in a car like this...

 

In La you can rent a guy to show up at a stop light in any car you want and "lose" to you when the light turns green. Cheaper "Knicker dropper" that toasting your clutch.

 

Then they are welcome to buy the Mac.

 

Re the McLaren, I don't own one but have driven a few for extensive drives on road and track, including one very exciting run from A to B which I won't go into. The car exemplifies the virtues of raw torque (and a great ride) but suffers from deficiencies in refinement in pretty much every dimension -- ergonomics, transmission operation, throttle response, sound...and appearance. In short progress is needed in all those factors except torque that make for an exceptional overall driving experience. These are all things that can be improved if McLaren puts its mind to it. And I would like to see them do it because competition is good for all of us. So far I do not see evidence of this but remain hopeful.

 

Re; McLaren - there are 49 2012 12c's for sale on cars.com right now by dealers. That - to me - is a pretty high number; is it not? Are these selling well? Listen; not starting a flame war (this mclaren vs Ferrari arguement gets old real quick)
Just wondering what is really going on with the 12c in regards to sales numbers. (Should this be in a different forum?)
Kevin

 

The 12C is not selling well new or used. A buddy of mine works for an authorized Macca dealer and stock is languishing. I think when the car hits 175k that will be its sweet spot. Maybe this car belongs in the NHRA rather than at Cars & Coffee?

 

This piece of information made my day. Hilarious.