News

F12 Paint Bubbling

Discussion in 'FF/Lusso/F12/812S' started by acadmd, Mar 15, 2017.

  1. italiafan

    italiafan F1 World Champ

    Jul 19, 2006
    10,166
    USA
    Full Name:
    Stickbones Swagglesmith
    SAFE4NOW says he has seen 2 on 50 cars and I find that unbelievable.
    I have it on mine, my friend has it on his, I have seen it on numerous F12s at dealership. Tech at dealership says they have seen a bunch and the consensus is the majority of F12s have it. Our simple poll is at ~50%. I'm willing to bet in that poll the majority of the 50% who haven't seen it are low mileage cars, garage queens, dry climates.
    This is a design/manufacturing defect.
    Yes, they'll cover it under warranty...but what about after....current answer is "no."
    So you buy a $400K car, take care of it lovingly, it may have 5K miles on it, and starts corroding in year 4 ( first year out of warranty) and you are SOL?
    I smell trouble brewing....
     
    MatNZ likes this.
  2. MatNZ

    MatNZ Karting

    Jun 12, 2018
    56
    Full Name:
    MatNZ
    Yes this is my same experience as well! There are 12 F12s in NZ and I have seen 7 that have it already!! The out of warranty excuse cannot exclude a condition that was there from the outset. It has to be automatically covered even if out of warranty. A ticking time bomb!
     
  3. Zedtt

    Zedtt Formula Junior

    May 29, 2005
    374
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Terry
    No issues on my 2015 which is perfect everywhere I can see. In any case my factory warranty (extended) expires in Nov 2019 so no worries for me, fortunately. I am in Los Angeles and I have not ever washed the car and given my driving and car care habits I see no reason to do so.
     
  4. otakki

    otakki Formula 3

    Mar 24, 2016
    1,419
    I believe body/corrosion is covered under a separate warranty. How long is it?
     
  5. MatNZ

    MatNZ Karting

    Jun 12, 2018
    56
    Full Name:
    MatNZ
    I thought 3 years??
     
  6. rockitman

    rockitman F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed

    May 31, 2015
    5,949
    Upstate, NY
    Full Name:
    Christian
    Is there a separate corrosion warranty period for modern Ferrari's ?
     
  7. SAFE4NOW

    SAFE4NOW F1 Rookie
    Sponsor Owner

    Aug 25, 2004
    3,793
    Dallas Texas
    Full Name:
    Steve F
    Paint is covered under 3 year unlimited mileage new car warranty

    S
     
  8. PhantomCypher

    PhantomCypher Formula Junior

    May 25, 2014
    281
    USA
    So I think we can establish that the paint has a reaction and corrodes with the mesh area.

    Moisture needs to be present.

    The end.
     
  9. Ferraribodyman

    Sep 27, 2018
    3
    Full Name:
    Ryan Moyer
    I work at the Ferrari body shop in Florida and I've corrected probably about 45 F12s in the last 2 years. They all do it eventually. It is from the grille rubbing against the paint. Once I strip it down to bare metal, and treat it with a special aluminum rust cleaner, it goes to paint. When it comes back, I shim both grilles down so that the grilles no longer touch the car at all. It's an easy fix. It only happens to f12s on those quarter vents. Your hoods normally won't rust.
     
    Gullwing, of2worlds and nmcclure like this.
  10. Ferraribodyman

    Sep 27, 2018
    3
    Full Name:
    Ryan Moyer
    When steel meets aluminum, it instantly corrodes. That's what is happening. The quarter panel is aluminum, and the grille, which is steel, is touching the aluminum quarter.
     
    of2worlds likes this.
  11. Eilig

    Eilig F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 31, 2001
    2,577
    Full Name:
    Cavallo
    It's called galvanic action, and it happens between dissimilar metals. But you usually need an electrolyte (i.e. water) for the reaction to occur full-force. I'd be surprised to see this happen with cars that don't ever get driven in the rain.
     
  12. rockitman

    rockitman F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed

    May 31, 2015
    5,949
    Upstate, NY
    Full Name:
    Christian
    washing your car and not keeping water away from the vent area is the same as driving in the rain.
     
  13. nmcclure

    nmcclure Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Apr 13, 2014
    323
    TX
    Ryan, so are you all using a self etching primer after mechanical removal of the corrosion?
     
  14. otakki

    otakki Formula 3

    Mar 24, 2016
    1,419
    45 F12s!...A true problem does exist!
     
  15. SAFE4NOW

    SAFE4NOW F1 Rookie
    Sponsor Owner

    Aug 25, 2004
    3,793
    Dallas Texas
    Full Name:
    Steve F
    Not doubting your claim of 45 cars in 2 years, but how do you explain the example where there was no contact or rubbing present, and it still happened?

    Also, were all 45 cars covered under warranty or were they customer pay?

    S
     
  16. SAFE4NOW

    SAFE4NOW F1 Rookie
    Sponsor Owner

    Aug 25, 2004
    3,793
    Dallas Texas
    Full Name:
    Steve F
    FWIW today's spot check of F12's in the shop , none of them have any signs of corrosion:

    12245
    01292
    95935
    00302
    97956

    S
     
  17. Eilig

    Eilig F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 31, 2001
    2,577
    Full Name:
    Cavallo
    Just spoke to a good friend who owns a dealership. They've not seen a single F12 with this problem. And mind you, they've seen a lot of F12's!
     
    SAFE4NOW likes this.
  18. CrazyMD

    CrazyMD Formula Junior

    Mar 10, 2012
    391
    Southern California
    How can we access the grills to shim them down so this doesn’t happen. Want to do it preventatively


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  19. Gullwing

    Gullwing Karting

    Aug 30, 2016
    196
    Thanks for your message to show that it happens to a lot of cars. I’m surprised you haven’t seen it elsewhere as mine had it on the doors too, even though there’s no secondary metal nearby. It was all sorted under warranty.
     
  20. ScottS

    ScottS Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed Owner

    Mar 2, 2004
    1,198
    Winter Park
    Full Name:
    Scott S
    Generally speaking how long does it take to happen ?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  21. Gullwing

    Gullwing Karting

    Aug 30, 2016
    196
    I guess it varies; mine showed at 18 months.
     
  22. Eilig

    Eilig F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 31, 2001
    2,577
    Full Name:
    Cavallo
    How often was yours driven in the rain prior to showing the bubbling?
     
  23. Gullwing

    Gullwing Karting

    Aug 30, 2016
    196
    Extremely rarely (once or twice)
     
    of2worlds likes this.
  24. speedbird1000

    speedbird1000 Rookie

    Jun 29, 2008
    37
    Europe
    Any Cars with triple layer paint affected ? Mine sees water but no bubbling visible at all, at least now

    Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using FerrariChat.com mobile app
     
  25. Eilig

    Eilig F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 31, 2001
    2,577
    Full Name:
    Cavallo
    Yes, there was someone with Grigio Titanio triple layer who posted earlier in this thread, who was having this problem.
     

Share This Page