F12 Berlinetta vs 599 GTO

Never driven either of the two but the 599 GTO looks fantastic. Too bad I can't afford it now.

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I traded a 599 GTO for an F12.

Driving = F12 - Smoother tranny, smoother ride, more civil.
Owner Satisfaction = 599 GTO - Having something very few people have. (F-car ego)

 

I believe the GTO is the more raw car than the F12, and also feels like this for me . Already the different transmissions systems with a double clutch system in the F12 is so different from the one in the GTO. I always would choose the GTO over a F12 for driving sensations


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Will the 599 gto ever come down to more reasonable price levels like 350-400k?

 

It's going nowhere but up......its a GTO with only a total build of 599 units of which only 130 are U.S. spec.Limited .....Is Limited.....and a Ferrari GTO is a GTO.

 

A comparison between the GTO and F12 is like comparing going off-piste versus a manicured black run. Both exhilarating, but one pumps harder.

Better a comparison between the GTO and tdf. Both off-piste, one more extreme. The pair together, sublime.

 

I doubt it and certainly here in Europe the market would appear to be struggling, not helped by the very large question marks over the quoted production run. Regardless of value the GTO finally released an epic car from the 599-a terrific bowing out.

 

Speed Racer, A Ferrari GTO is a Ferrari Grand Touring Omologato, except when its not, as in the case of the 599.

Its a fantastic car but the GTO tag still seems in correct for a car never intended to homologate for motor sport.

No offense intended , i would have one in a heart beat.

 

I can't see how the unsurprising increase in final production numbers should affect values. I mean it's common knowledge that they'd make more.

FWIW, about the final number, might be close to the 651 identified GTO units so far. Roughly 10-15% more, as always...

 

Hmmm, let's split hairs, was the 250 GTO a GTO? I understand not, according to the FIA rules. In 1962, the FIA's rules dictated 100 cars needed to be built to be homologated for G3 GT racing. Ferrari only built 39. Like I said splitting hairs. If Ferrari calls the 599 GTO a GTO, it's good enough for me

 

I may be a little behind on the discussion of the 599 GTO, what is this production overrun info based on? IE, is it rumor or is there documented proof and if there is proof where is it?

I fully understand that just because proof has not been found does not mean the claim that Ferrari overproduced these cars is untrue, just curious on how solid the evidence is behind the claim.



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Based on serial number/VIN evidence. But yours is a fair enough point, I will elaborate:

Many people interested in serial numbers keep databases and registries of the different models. My info comes from one of those individuals whose ultimate goal is to keep an accurate registry based on factual and contrasted data. Think of a good number of unknown 'Massinis' which are out there gathering and exchanging info.

So, yes, rest assured *at least* 651 GTO's exist or have existed.

 

That was the brilliance of the limited edition game. Announce a number, build what you can actually sell and it is very unlikely anyone will slavishly be able to collect every VIN. As to GTO numbers, we will never know, all I can say is that engineers who worked on the project offered an extraordinary number. Who cares, it's a wonderful car and I would like to be in Camlets position with it lined up alongside my tdf and LM

 

So there is someone who has managed to collect 651 VIN numbers and you have seen it with your own eyes? Or are you speculating that they have done that?

That seems like something of monumental difficulty? I have seen people publish spreadsheets--but nobody actually has anything close to even the claimed numbers of cars...

 

Who cares, that's my point, too. The value of one of these does not change IMO with small variances of the final number.

 

I'm sorry but you will never get an honest answer to this question my friend (at least stated here anyway). Many Ferrari owners are too invested in their selection.

 

No speculation, only facts, I really tried to make that clear. And I've seen the list myself when it counted 633 GTO's. This is just a hobby for many but that doesn't mean it's not taken seriously. It's obviously been time enough to collect s/n's since the production started, and the exchange of information always eases the task.

 

My question was if you had seen the list with your own eyes. Was not clear from the first response but your last response helps. If I understand correctly, you are confirming that you have in fact seen a list of 633 GTO VINs with your own eyes.

Why do you think those that have it would not post it here or elsewhere?

Also, curious why you had the privilege of seeing the list? How did you get to take a look while others can't?

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Also if that list is so irrevocably correct why hasn't there been any legal action taken to bring a class action suit against Ferrari for misleading the public and misrepresenting the product they are producing? Who has audited the list? No offence to the VIN counters here, but I could 'write' down 1000 VIN's on a spreadsheet and who is to say that they are right or wrong apart from the factory? Honestly, I can understand and accept a handful extra being made but some of the numbers that have been thrown around over the years, particularly on this board, frankly beggars belief and I don't understand how any multinational corporation could get away with that in this day and age without any consequences whatsoever. The facts just do not add up convincingly enough for me anyways..........

 

I'm sorry but I just don't believe an extra 50/75 units more or less is going to affect the overall collectivity of any limited model. Let alone the 599 GTO. How many limited models beyond the GTO with 599 give or take an extra 50 or so and the Aperta with a build of less than 100 have been blessed with equally low build numbers. Certainly not the F12 TDF among others. In the end, based on the numbers alone this argument in my mind is meaningless. Which just leaves the same old tired arguements we have all heard before about the GTO not being deserving of the name. Get over it. As others besides myself have said on numerous occasions. If Ferrari badged it a GTO....Guess what ...It's a GTO.