F1 Low Speed (Parking) Help | FerrariChat

F1 Low Speed (Parking) Help

Discussion in '360/430' started by Bob in Makiki, Jul 23, 2017.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Bob in Makiki

    Bob in Makiki Formula Junior
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    May 30, 2017
    455
    Honolulu
    #1 Bob in Makiki, Jul 23, 2017
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    I would appreciate your advice on how best to maneuver an F1 360 in a tight parking garage. I’m having a little trouble with low speed and tight places. The Owner’s Manual says “Use second gear when greater control is required during maneuvers at very low speeds.” (See attached.) That is counter-intuitive to me and I don’t think I’m doing it very well. Any advice?

    The same page in the Owner’s Manual raises a few other questions for me. It also says, “Do not ‘modulate’ the accelerator pedal during departure.” I don’t know what that means. Any hints? And it says, “Request a lower gear only when the car is at a complete stop and with the brake pad pressed.” But I know you can downshift while in motion (and in fact, the manual discusses this at other places). So, I suspect I don’t understand what that means, either.

    Finally, on the same page it cautions — in red and in bold — on an uphill stretch, “do not use the ‘pickup manoeuvre’ to keep the car stationery, but the brake only.” I assume that means don’t use the engine and the clutch to hold the car on a hill, but what is the “pickup manoeuvre” and are there other times when it would be appropriate?

    If there are other threads addressing this, please feel free to point them out to me, but I could only find ones about using first gear to hold the car when parked with the engine off.

    Thanks!
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  2. Virulosity

    Virulosity Karting

    Jun 26, 2017
    162
    Orange County CA
    Full Name:
    Rob
    I think what they are trying to say is dont "feather" the throttle on takeoff as this can cause unpredictable behavior and increased clutch wear. Also don't rock the car back and forth when stopped on an incline with the throttle, this will overheat and wear out the clutch. I have never felt it is hard to control the car at slow speeds, just be gentle with the throttle and give slow gradual inputs. Take your time when parking until you get more comfortable with it.
     
  3. Bob in Makiki

    Bob in Makiki Formula Junior
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    May 30, 2017
    455
    Honolulu
    I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "feather" the throttle. Sorry to be dull witted.
     
  4. mkzhang

    mkzhang Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Oct 5, 2009
    544
    Philadelphia
    Full Name:
    Mike
    Low speed maneuver in second gear makes sense because the clutch actually doesn't fully close below 2k rpm when you're going slow. So the car is constantly slipping the clutch to give you smoother control.

    If you drop it into first and have some speed, it will try to close the clutch when you give it gas which makes it super jerky


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  5. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

    Dec 8, 2004
    12,618
    South East
    Full Name:
    Jimmie
    Bob - I think you are a new owner and the F1 takes getting a bit of used to not just for parking (and translations from Italian don't always help)

    There are many threads here about clutch life and they tend to give some of the best hints about smooth F1 driving but essentially the aim is to not have the clutch slip but fully engage - for example when pulling off use a few more revs then once engaged ease back or in traffic try to have a larger gap so there is a little more time for the clutch to engage - if you then ease off a little the clutch won't immediately disengage so it is not slipping

    This might help a little https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0mIWy_0hE0
     
  6. billy.gif

    billy.gif Formula Junior

    Mar 9, 2017
    259
    Finland
    #6 billy.gif, Jul 24, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2017
    That video from 1:15 -> is confusing for rookies because the F1-system is always in 1st gear when you turn the ignition on. One needs to put it in N before starting it. Also you have to shut down the car with 1st gear engaged, otherwise it will BEEEEB to you.

    1. Don't use 2nd gear in slow "crawling", it will slip the clutch -> increase the clutch wear. If (when) the car gets jerky with 1st gear just lift off from gas and let it roll a bit, then apply throttle again. These cars are more easy to drive with really slow speeds with "press gas - let it roll, press gas - let it roll" -technique.

    2. Modulate refers your "gas pedal usage" when accelerating from a standstill. Its best to press gas pedal to a certain "level" and keep it there until you feel the clutch "closing" (not slipping). You'll get better to this when you'll get to know here better - kind of dating if you may :) "Request lower" gear means do not never ever change from 2nd to 1st gear when car is moving faster than lets say slow walking speed. You'll really hurt her (gearbox + clutch) feelings if doing so. I once accidentally changed from 2nd to 1st when doing like 30kph (+20mph) and the car lit the "gearbox warning light" for a brief moment. I learned my lesson right there.

    3. "Pickup manoeuvre" is just bad Italian translation for holding your car steady on a hill with clutch. Best thing to do with "uphill starts" is actually to apply handbrake and when you feel the car is wanting to go forward - release the handbrake. Like you do with a normal manual transmission car during steep hill starts (sorry for my poor spelling). With these cars you can do that in really shallow inclines as well and it really helps you to preserve the clutch. Try it out! :)

    PS. Always N when stationary! Never ever reverse these things into uphill. While reversing its best to use the mentioned "press gas - let it roll" -technique.


    Here's some useful links, I'd subscribe to those in order to find them easily when in need :)

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ferrari-discussion-not-model-specific/314659-f1-transmissions-dummies.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430-sponsored-yellow-compass-group/316605-question-about-360-f1-clutch.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430-sponsored-yellow-compass-group/324693-360-f1-clutch-wear-interesting-facts.html
     
  7. Mikael-F360

    Mikael-F360 Formula Junior

    Apr 3, 2017
    753
    Finland
    Full Name:
    Mikael E.
    ^Really good advice right there! You have been quickly educated to the secrets of the F1-system. Heck, I still haven't tried one. Gotta fix that problem this season ✌
     
  8. Bob in Makiki

    Bob in Makiki Formula Junior
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    May 30, 2017
    455
    Honolulu
    #8 Bob in Makiki, Jul 24, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2017
    Thanks Billy! That was really helpful. I watched all the videos and read most of the threads before I wrote my question above. I understand how to drive the car on the street, and I understand the general idea of avoiding clutch slippage to extend the life of the clutch; what I did not understand well was simply the notes in the manual and how best to work at slow speeds in tight quarters. Your comments were very helpful. Now I need to go and practice!

    Thanks to everyone else for your most helpful comments and suggested links as well.

    Aloha! Bob
     
  9. Bob in Makiki

    Bob in Makiki Formula Junior
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    May 30, 2017
    455
    Honolulu
    Perhaps a further explanation will help: I have a good parking place in our building away from other cars and guarded by two stern and unforgiving concrete pillars. The turn into the space is tight and the space between the pillars is narrow.

    I would like to avoid introducing the 360 to the pillars. Hence my concern, and why the "gas then roll" procedure is going to take some practice for me.

    I am reading and watching everything again, however, and I'll get it down eventually. I like Billy's comment that it is like dating -- it takes a while to get to know each other.
     
  10. wheelman76

    wheelman76 Formula 3

    Feb 22, 2004
    1,125
    Midwest
    I always put my car in Neutral as soon as I stop in my garage and engage the parking brake when I'm done driving. Am I doing it wrong? When I start the car it's in Neutral again for me to engage Reverse and back out then, never in first waiting for me to accidentally drive forward.
     
  11. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jul 19, 2008
    39,007
    Clarksville, Tennessee
    Full Name:
    Terry H Phillips
    Ever wonder why she beeps at you when you do that?
     
  12. mkzhang

    mkzhang Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Oct 5, 2009
    544
    Philadelphia
    Full Name:
    Mike
    Actually for hills don't use hand brake. You will just induce more clutch slippage. The f1 closes the clutch based on your gas input and if the car is moving. If you use your hand brake to slowly ease off the hill the f1 system will just slip the clutch forever until it feels you have enough momentum not to stall.

    The best way to get up a hill is to get on the gas aggressively. The system takes your gas input into consideration and while the rpm will get higher than normal (say 2.2k), the clutch will close almost immediately and you're off the line.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  13. billy.gif

    billy.gif Formula Junior

    Mar 9, 2017
    259
    Finland
    Awesome info, will try that out. But in tight spaces like car parks or in heavy traffic that must require some proper practice.

    What I've read online is that both "Sport" mode and "ASR OFF" mode makes the TCU close the clutch faster, no matter how your throttle input (etc.) is. I've used those 2 buttons in situations where I've applied my hand brake. Dunno what it (TCU) should feel / do, but with them I've sometimes achieved almost similar clutch "closing" speed / distance as when starting to move in flat surface with "normal" mode.

    I would give my left kidney for a 6MT car, but those are really really rare where I live. With little steps I've began to enjoy the F1 system and its *perfect* rev matching blips more and more. More aggressive one is with the go fast pedal, the auto blips gets more aggressive and giving pops n bangs from the decatted exhaust system of mine.
     

Share This Page