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  1. pilotoCS

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    Words of William should never be confused with Words of Wisdom.:cool::p:D
     
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  6. TheMayor

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    Can you see now how interesting a race can be without Hamliton running away with it at the start?
     
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    Reverse grid racing???
     
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    2 Red Bull Racing Honda 158
    3 McLaren Renault 98
    4 Racing Point BWT Mercedes 82
    5 Renault 71
    6 Ferrari 61
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    8 Alfa Romeo Racing Ferrari 2
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  10. jpalmito

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    you can't say that, some here will fall into deep depression !
     
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    Sorry if a re-post, but pretty funny and appropriate:

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    I just think (hope?) Ferrari gave up on this season and are not spending a cent on development except in the background for next year.

    Not cool to risk Charles’ safety like today but good to know Sainz is joining the team next year
     
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  13. DF1

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    This would have been applicable to Vettel or MS as well. Dominance numbs the enjoyment lol
     
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  14. Patrick Dixon

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    Interesting, yes, but F1 is about excellence and competition and that's why it's 'right' that Hamilton and Mercedes keep winning now, just as Schumacher and Ferrari kept winning in the past.

    It was great to see Gasly win but Hamilton showed us just why he is the best, catching the pack at 3seconds a lap and making his way up to 7th in a car setup to run in clean air at the front. Apart from Kimi going backwards, and some jostling at the (re)starts I don't recall any other overtakes at all.
     
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  15. DF1

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    Lack of drag. Just ask Mercedes. Drag was bad today. Clean aero was the winner with good power and reliability. Same for Mclaren
     
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  16. DF1

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    Yes in either race -- we actually had 2 distinct races, passing was not at all apparent in number.
     
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    This traffic issue and temps was a problem last year and others. They suffered in traffic in the past. Problem is no one can deal with them in qualy.
     
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    So great to hear the French and Italian anthems on the podium! How long has it been????
     
  19. jpalmito

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    Hamilton is just showing how weak Bottas is.
    Again without real top driver comparison we can just speculate about him.
    In addition you mention a "right" to win according to a presupposed hierarchy.
    It's the very opposite of car racing i would say.
     
  20. DF1

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    Fully agree. That music today was so fantastic!!
     
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  21. DF1

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    Mayor we need your post-race Binotto classic post - photo or small video for today's Ferrari double DNF lol :)
     
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    I have been wishing for this for years if not decades.

    Gordon Ramsey, err Crofty himself said so today during the race: Reverse grid virtually guarantees epic races.
     
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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/151940/mercedes-explains-pitlane-error-that-screwed-hamilton


    Mercedes has explained the error which "screwed" Lewis Hamilton's Italian Grand Prix after receiving a penalty for entering the pitlane while it was closed.

    Hamilton sat over 10 seconds clear of Formula 1 field at Monza when the safety car was deployed when Haas driver Kevin Magnussen parked up at the side of the track near the pit entry.

    It prompted race control to deploy the safety car and then close the pitlane 11 seconds later, preventing drivers from coming in so that Magnussen's car could be wheeled to safety.

    But Hamilton came into the pits after missing the signal boards saying the pitlane had been closed, leading to an investigation from the stewards.

    Hamilton was handed a 10-second stop/go penalty, leaving him more than 25 seconds off the back of the field after he came in one lap after the race restarted following a red flag.

    Hamilton was able to claw his way back to seventh place, picking up a bonus point for the fastest lap in the process.

    Mercedes F1 chief Toto Wolff explained that the team was unable to see the boards denoting that the pitlane was closed from the pitwall, and that there was no red light at the pit entry.

    "It was a weird sequence of events that maybe we could have spotted earlier," Wolff said.

    "The decisions that were taken were highly unusual, but they were absolutely within the rules.

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    "One of the Haas [cars] was parked to the right, near the entry, on the inside of Parabolica, and there was a single yellow. 11 seconds later, a safety car was deployed.

    "Once the safety car was deployed, they put the entry to the pitlane on red, but it wasn't exactly red, it was two yellow crosses on the outside.

    "One of the strategists just shouted into the radio whilst we were entering the pitlane. There was confusion.

    "We can't see the signs, and this is just a sequence of events that screwed Lewis's race. Not happy, but you have to take it on the chin."

    Hamilton revealed after the race that he had failed to spot the yellow crosses on the boards saying the pitlane was closed, accepting the blame for the error.

    "Honestly I didn't see those boards, so I take responsibility for that," Hamilton said.

    "[It is] something I will learn from. To get seventh and still get the fastest lap, that's still some good points considering I definitely didn't think that was possible from 26 seconds behind the last car.

    "I'll definitely take it, and grateful obviously Max [Verstappen] didn't score any points. So not a huge loss today."

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    Wolff said the only way Mercedes could have spotted that the pitlane was shut was by looking at the fourth page of the FIA's timing information.

    "From the pitwall, you can't see these yellow crosses, and if the driver doesn't spot them, which I believe is absolutely the truth, the only way you can see that the pitlane was closed was on page four of the FIA communications system," Wolff said.

    "Nobody looks at that page when the safety car is deployed, the driver is about to come into the pits. Everything is concentrated around the pitstop.

    "Unlucky, I would say, and a very unusual decision to close the pitlane."
     
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  25. Patrick Dixon

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    You can say Bottas is weak or Hamilton is strong. Bottas hasn't been weak against any other teammate. I think Hamilton learned from having Rosberg as a teammate: he's even better now and doesn't show his hand to his teammate in the data before final qualifying and the race.

    Any 'right' to win is based on being the best. The best driver/car combination is what has the 'right' to win and that's exactly what competition should be about. Entertainment is something different.
     
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    What I have proposed is giving the person who had pole position a WDC point and then scrambling randomly the top 6 spots. I think it would force the top drivers to do more in the beginning of the race than just run away with it.

    After position 7, there's usually a lot of parity anyway.
     
  28. Patrick Dixon

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    Just watch F2 instead. The likes of F2 and touring cars are for people who want epic races rather than excellence.
     
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