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  1. SPEEDCORE

    SPEEDCORE Four Time F1 World Champ

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  4. 275gtb6c

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    Vettel lost it for now completely (+ 1 sec to JlC) and Mercedes 0.7 faster than the rest.......this will be a booooring weekend I guess.

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  5. SPEEDCORE

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  6. ricksb

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    Won’t be a good weekend for the Scuderia. It’s close enough that Charles could get into Q3 but having an engine down on power would seem to be a big problem at Monza
     
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  10. garrobitto

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    I miss practice this morning... Seb did already a spin??
    Leclerc was faster than Ocon, Sainz or even Albon??
     
  11. Mitch Alsup

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    Seb looped it between the 2 Lesmo's
     
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  12. furoni

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    Sergio is in a bad spot, on one hand he likes the team, on the other he is fully aware they are messing with his car....not a nice place to be...
     
  13. DF1

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    Charles had similar off but not as dramatic.
     
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  14. DF1

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    All predicted at Spa as well. Ferrari are mid pack for the season unless lucky break.
     
  15. DF1

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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/151882/abiteboul-red-bull-has-missed-a-trick-over-engines

    Horner should listen to this from Renault and the agreement of this point from Toto. To build a winning car you need all elements. I think Red Bull think they can just support the chassis and drop in a good engine and win. Yes once was possible but its been many years now and they have never been very close since.

    Renault boss Cyril Abiteboul says Red Bull is paying the price for "missing a trick" of always being independent from its engine supplier.

    Red Bull is playing catch up against Mercedes this season, with the Milton Keynes-based outfit having a tradition of starting campaigns on the back foot before making up ground as the year progresses.

    While Red Bull says there is no obvious explanation for why it has not always started recent campaigns strongly, Abiteboul believes the outfit could be being hampered by not being a full works operation.

    Abiteboul suggests that, with F1 teams needing everything to be perfectly lined up if they are to be successful, Red Bull is suffering because it is not master of its own engine division.

    Speaking at the Italian Grand Prix, Abiteboul said: "I think Red Bull is a fantastic team but in my opinion Red Bull has missed a trick of modern Formula 1, where you can't have a chassis organisation and an engine organisation that are so distinct.

    "You can't think of that, if you want to fight for wins in a consistent manner.

    "So probably the struggles that it can face at the start of the season, but eventually even across all of the season, is a demonstration of that. You really need to be one group of people, one team, with one mindset."



    Abiteboul suggested that that state of affairs probably explained why the Red Bull-Renault relationship perhaps did not achieve all it wanted together in the hybrid era.

    "We have failed to do that all together," said Abiteboul. "It just looks like they [Red Bull] are not able to do much better with Honda.

    "But it just shows that there's a level of complexity and perfection that is required in Formula 1 in order to win and in particular to beat Mercedes."

    Toto Wolff, the boss of the dominant Mercedes team, agreed with Abiteboul's views of everything needing to work in perfect harmony if success was going to be achieved.

    "Red Bull has all the resource, human resource and financial resource, to compete at the very front," said Wolff. "And I think like it had those great years with Renault, starting in 2010 with four consecutive championships, we're having a run at the moment.

    "As Cyril said, it's about putting all things together. Every parameter is needed in order to get there. And it is not only the engine and chassis relationship that needs to be strong.

    "It's also about putting all components, all these marginal gains together, in order to perform."
     
  16. Mitch Alsup

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    Summary: This is a game for "works teams" only at the front.

    Seems to me that Ferrari has lost/forgotten a few tricks, too.
     
  17. Etcetera

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    The same Renault that is almost 100 points behind Red Bull? The same Red Bull that is #2 in the WCC while Renault is 6th?
     
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  18. DF1

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    All correct you are. Yet Red Bull were close more than once to not having a motor. Their lack of sychronization has hurt them since Renault became a full F1 team again. Honda are not providing power to win and Red Bull aero is now weaker. Abiteboul is not incorrect as Red Bull have always been at the mercy of a supplier for the one thing they lack and still do. A good motor.
     
  19. ypsilon

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    SF: from prancing race horse in 2004 to prancing donkey in 2020.
     
  20. Bas

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    It costs over a billion to build an F1 engine, an aditional 200mm a season. And that's without guarantee of success. Abiteboul can talk out of his ass all he likes, but you can't simply just build an F1 engine. Even the mighty cosworth left the moment these engines where announced.
     
  22. DF1

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    Yes but is he correct as far as Red Bull goes in not being a completed package.
     
  23. Bas

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    Yet still doing better than Ferrari, Renault...
     

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