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F1-67 what a great idea!

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  1. Anthony_Ferrari

    Anthony_Ferrari Formula 3

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorsport/6168607/Buy-your-own-Formula-One-car.html
    A racing enthusiast is building replicas of 1967 Formula One cars that are a joy to drive, and relatively affordable.

    The year of 1967 was the beginning of a golden era in Formula One. The sport had just changed to a three-litre formula, the glorious Ford DFV engine had appeared as a customer power unit, and it made a perfect showcase for the skills of all-time greats like Jim Clark, Graham Hill and Jackie Stewart.

    In addition, there were the aesthetics. A 1967 Lotus 49 looks as perfect as any racing car can. No wings or aerodynamic add-ons and just enough curves from the previous age combined with more aggression, mainly thanks to bigger tyres which handled the new-found power and braking ability.

    There are still some of these cars in the hands of collectors and in museums. But a Lotus 49, if you can find one, would cost more than £1 million.

    The DFV engine is easier to find - you can still buy a new one as long as you have the requisite £60,000 - so the only (relatively) cheap item is the then-ubiquitous Hewland gearbox, which is also still available new. Not for the first time, rarity and expense might well confine a glorious age to static display.

    It might seem odd, then, that nobody felt the need to build a replica - until now.

    Ian Gray, one-man band, prolific kit-car designer and builder (more than 500 to date), and passionate Sixties Formula One enthusiast, makes his latest inspiration sound simple.

    "I was bored with building Caterham look-alikes," he says, "and this was my all-time favourite Grand Prix car. There was no choice. I didn't have a million quid…"

    Formula One cars were very simple in those days, but Gray makes no attempt to replicate the original's engineering and there is no monocoque chassis tub.

    Instead, steel tubes are welded to form a strong frame with simple wishbone suspension at each corner, while the engine is a low-stress 5.7-litre V8 from a Corvette which is durable and cheap - the original's V12 produced a similar 350 horsepower at twice the rpm.

    The gearbox is the four-speed unit from an Eighties Porsche turbo, and that's about it. Gray spent more than he would have liked on the correct looking wheels and brakes because, he says, too many replicas are spoiled by modern items, and the tyres are original-dimension off-the-shelf Dunlop racers made for the historic race market.

    The body is fibreglass and minimal - just like the original.

    The F1-67 is 12 per cent bigger than the original in order to accommodate all sizes of driver - including yours truly - and looked good enough at Snetterton circuit to make even the most cynical of modern racers do a double take.

    So, how does it drive? Not exactly like the original, but then, I suspect not that much different either. The Big Chevrolet is lazy and pulls from tickover in any gear and the gearshift is clunky rather than slick, but the chassis has just enough of that single-seater magic about it.

    Most importantly, it's not remotely intimidating. It is delightfully balanced and predictable, and you can slide and drift it like a saloon car without a second thought. You can also fiddle with settings to your heart's content. Springs, anti-roll bars and shock absorbers are all adjustable.

    Gray will build you one for £42,000 - or less than the cost of a DFV engine - in the spec tested, or you can have any engine that will fit, and any nose section as long as it comes from a 1967 F1 car. The first customer version is on its way to Texas, fitted with a BMW V12 at the customer's request.

    So, imagine this. Skilled enthusiast in small workshop puts together a single-seat race car fitted with an engine funded by an American giant, an off-the-shelf gearbox and a set of tyres from Dunlop. Then, as now. It's only F1 that has changed…

    • For more information, go to http://www.f1-67.com/index.html
     
  2. Far Out

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    Huh? First they mention how easy it is to rebuilt a '67 F1 car as the engine and gearbox are still available new (and everything else can be manufactured), and then this guy builds a chassis of his own design and dumps a Corvette engine in it? :confused:
     
  3. ProCoach

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    #3 ProCoach, Sep 22, 2009
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    The cars weren't safe then and with an LS1, they can't be any better now.

    Forget it!
     
  4. NeuroBeaker

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    Wow - that's incredible! :D

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  5. TooTall

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    Interesting. Put an Eagle nose on it and it would look much better. Basically he has re-invented F5000. Agreed the car is not nearly as crash survivable as a modern monocoque car but then again current tracks are nothing like back in the day. No light poles, stone markers or farm houses right on the edge of the track to wallop. It's a track day car and that's about it.

    Kurt O.
     
  6. LightGuy

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    #6 LightGuy, Sep 22, 2009
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    "I was bored with building Caterham look-alikes," he says, "and this was my all-time favourite Grand Prix car. There was no choice. I didn't have a million quid…"

    I think he's on to something here.
    Definitely not for everyone but I think the target audience should be boomers IE cars of the late 70's and early 80's. Monocoque would be a pain though.

    Also he needs a modern very high revving V-8.
    Cant think of one off hand.
    A 9000 rpm s2000 engine would be perfect for power except for the 4 banger puts it in F2.
     
  7. TSOL

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    Agreed! Probably a LOT of fun but awfully unsafe.
     
  8. BLT2DRIVE

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    My thoughts exactly, ditto Too Tall's thought on re-invented F-5000. Another reason I got out of the vintage racing.... They just didn't want to go out and have fun in their cars, but wanted to race and really ring 'em out. Not quite realizing the deficiencies were still there 40 years later, that were present when others were less fortunate back in the day.... Hmm....
     
  9. rdefabri

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    I had a similar idea, but not the F1 route (which I think is great, but understand the safety concerns).

    I wanted to build a Giaur / Bandini like car...maybe with a cheap, available 4-cyl from a Civic or Corolla...small light fun car to tool around with.
     
  10. Crawler

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    #10 Crawler, Sep 30, 2009
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    The article is a bit confusing. They start off talking about the Lotus 49 and Cosworth DFV, but from the photo and "original's V12" reference, the car is clearly Honda-inspired. Potentially quite dangerous, with all that power and just a spaceframe chassis.
     
  11. LightGuy

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    Maserati birdcage with normally aspirated Bi-turbo motor.
    As the chicken said; "cheep, cheep"
     
  12. f1-67

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    dear all , thanks for your various commentas re the f1-67 , to those who have instantly condemned it as unsafe i would invite you to please look at the website and specifically the chassis design which has been engineered with safety of the driver as a high priority , it is exceptioanally strong and overengineered on purpose , the car is as driveable as any track car i have owned and has been tested by drivers from novice to those who ran in period f5000 and all have reported very positively , the power level has been kept sensible on purpose and as such we simply cap the revlimit for those less experienced - the whole point of the project was to provide a car that was safe ad reliable with the essence of the late 1960s f1/f5000 cars intact . will be working on different nosecones for next year such that a colour / nose change can represent pretty well any 1967 era car , the reason for honda colours was simply a personal preference and its no more a honda replica than a 49 , juat a representative shape -
     
  13. LightGuy

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    #13 LightGuy, Oct 11, 2009
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    While tube frames can be strong enough to form a protective cocoon around the driver in many cases, tying it to a Chevy V-8 puts it into a high speed/risk category. This is a reality. Also, IMO, the biggest drawback to tube frames (of which I have raced for several years) is its inability to stop intrusion of objects between the tubes objects like suspension pieces and such. A fellow was killed here in Texas at Motorsport Ranch by intrusion of a spinning car's transmission tail shaft between the tubes in what is a relatively low speed corner. A Kevlar or similar material on the out side of the tub may have prevented this.
    Not a bash on your design, just a concern which might be addressed and used as a benefit in sales.
    Also, once again IMO, a Chevy V-8 is ideal for economical and reliable power but huge power is not actually needed. A sensation of screaming power is; low displacement/ high RPM's in V-8 form.
     
  14. f1-67

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    #14 f1-67, Oct 12, 2009
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    fair point that any tube frame can potentially have an intrusion isssue and freak accidents can and will happen in motorsport in any type of car and chassis design - wherever possible the f1-67 chassis has been comprehensively braced specifically to protect the driver - as for power to weight we have used the minimum displacement and power v8 chevy we could find and at 250 bhp / 1150 lbs car weight its great fun - at 300 bhp / 1150 lbs its great fun for a more experienced driver and certainly keeps you alert , however it is not at all a tail snappy beast as many assume ( myself included until i drove it ) 500 bhp is easy with these motors but being responsible as a manufacturer is important and was recognised very early on -
     

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