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Extreme X-pipe, but sound is not shocking

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  1. Robbe

    Robbe Formula Junior
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    Hi all,
    just for the fun of it,
    I created an extreme x-pipe for my 550, by using 2 into 1 collectors.
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    The middle (largest) diameter is 89 mm, (2 times 63 mm going into 89 mm).
    It should therefore not have much (more) backpressure, but I of course do not know if the gas waves battle each other.
    It was just a project to see what happens with the sound.
    Well, the sound is a bit louder, but it now sounds more like a Porsche 911 GT3. Not shocking.
    Not really a surprise when you mix 2 6-cylinders together I guess.
    (I can't post a good sound clip, sorry)

    If I want a deeper sound, should I make a H pipe? Or a double H pipe? Or a triple?
    (The stock exhaust does have a H setup, but that pipe is perforated.)
    Most sound clips on youtube do not sound that good...apart from the 6 into 1 headers of course...
    So it is very hard to filter out for the sound I am looking for: the not-too-loud, deep but not burbly sound....
     
  2. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Trial and error, pretty much, unless you want to spring for Fabio's exhaust. Late 575Ms came with straight pipes, which give the most hp and torque, but can resonate with some mufflers.
     
  3. Robbe

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    Yes, trial and error, as the jury on the internet is still out on x-pipe vs h-pipe. V12's do not even need one for HP or torque I understand, only for sound manipulation.
    Common thought is that H-pipe gives a lower sound, but could well be that this is with a crossplane v8 only...
    Next try will be a double H pipe, with a small and a large H connection.
    Don't think anybody has done that before, so maybe we learn something. Or at least I have some fun making it...
     
  4. Salami

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    My 456 now has stock cats, tubi back boxes, and Braden straight pipes in place of the stock resonator. It sounds good, although drones a little at certain revs
     
  5. Robbe

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    The H or X connection between the straight pipes eliminates droning to some extent , so my next try will certainly be with a connection of that kind.
    As I have no technical background whatsoever, I have no theoretical proof of how things really work.
    So I have no idea if a small H connection works well, or that a large is better. I do not really care about 10 bhp more or less, as long as the sound is what I am after.
    Will think some more about it and then fabricate something, and will update .
     
  6. Salami

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    I was wondering the same thing. Now that I have the straight pipes I could bridge them with a tiny crossover to see if that handles the drone waves.
     
  7. F456M

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    I want to try cat deletes and still use my OEM center and the Fuchs straight through rear mufflers. The trick to get good sound is to hear all the twelve cylinders coming through the tail pipe but with some muffler so it is decent sound level.
     
  8. white out

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    Making the exhaust an equal length between the manifolds (unequal length from the factory) and an X pipe really cleans up the sound. I've been around a lot of different 550/575 and my car is the only one without the exhaust chop - especially at idle. I have no mufflers (and larger diameter exhaust) and my car is quieter - with valves closed - than other cars with center muffler delete & aftermarket rear mufflers. I have zero drone at highway speeds - cannot even hear the exhaust unless I get on throttle. To make equal length you have to get creative with the space available.
     
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  9. white out

    white out Formula 3

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    With that said... having an X or H does seem to help greatly according to multiple threads on the subject.

    I like that the merge pipe going to a larger diameter, but it still necks down compared to the factory 2.25" exhaust diameters (even the crushed 2" sections exiting the center muffler). You're likely losing power in the upper rpm, but gaining torque in the low rpm. It seems the H-pipe or a true X with larger diameter piping would net you more power and the merge to balance the sound. If there is room to run a second set of pipes around your merge, like this |X| , it might sound good and not have a restriction on flow
     
  10. Auraraptor

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    I know the 575 is unequal from factory, were the 550 headers equal?
     
  11. white out

    white out Formula 3

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    550 is unequal also, the exhaust leaving the front manifolds has a longer distance to travel than the rear.
     
  12. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    The other option is to make the pipes the same length at the headers, which is what Fabio does. Sound pretty good, too.
     
  13. Vilhuer

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    In theory X should be better than H because of the shape. Idea on why is that exhaust pulses coming out from different cylinders follow each other into X and first one into it pulls second one from other side emptying cylinders better on exhaust cycle. First and second meaning two cylinders at opposite side of engine V that ignite after each other, not cylinders number one and two. That is at least theory and based on some V8 applications it works with both unequal and equal length headers.
     
  14. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    In actual fact empirical results have shown the X pipe causes interference between the pulses instead of boosting extraction. Straight pipes produce more hp and more torque. The reason for X pipes and H pipes is to reduce resonance and some owners like the exhaust note better, even at a very slight loss of performance.

    When Ferrari went to straight pipes on the 575M in late Summer 2003, they had to fit a new set of mufflers to deal with resonance.
     

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