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Discussion in '456/550/575' started by tifosi_, Apr 30, 2015.

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  1. tifosi_

    tifosi_ Formula 3

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    #1 tifosi_, Apr 30, 2015
    I am considering upgrading the performance of my 575 at Eurocharged Tuning. They offer a software flash upgrade to the ECU which they claim effectively increases horsepower from 515 bhp to 547 bhp (equivalent to the Superamerica), and torque from 434 to 461.
    My question is, is it recommended to do an engine compression test first before embarking on this to ensure that it doesn't put unnecessary stress on my engine? As the 575 is basically low stressed, its probably safer than on an 8 cyl Ferrari I would think, but even so, what are your opinion's out there?

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  2. tazandjan

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    #2 tazandjan, Apr 30, 2015
    Clyde- I would think those numbers are pretty optimistic for a reflash with no other changes. When you look at all the changes made to the SA and 612 to get to 540 hp, an ECU reflash that does not give CELs will probably not do it.
     
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    #3 tifosi_, Apr 30, 2015
    No doubt there may salesmanship involved here I'm sure, though they claim they will dyno it to prove it to me. On the other hand, I am not sure I want to mess with that and potentially cause a reliability problem with my 575. So though I would love more power (doesn't everyone?), I am not sure I want to risk anything negative on the engine. That's why I asked whether anyone recommends a compression check. What's your opinion Terry?

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    #4 tazandjan, Apr 30, 2015
    No opinion, but cannot see what a compression test is going to do towards making this decision.

    Dyno operators can prove just about anything they want to unless an expert is watching them.
     
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    #5 tifosi_, Apr 30, 2015
    I thought at the very least a compression check would show the health of my engine before messing with the ECU, and if anything suspect is found I would leave it alone. I guess I'm wrong about that?
     
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    #6 tazandjan, Apr 30, 2015
    Unless there is some reason to suspect the health of your engine, I would not worry about it.
     
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    #7 tifosi_, Apr 30, 2015
    No reason to suspect any problems. I just had my full chain belt service and oil change and they would've mentioned something if there would've been an issue.


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    #8 GTS Bruce, Apr 30, 2015
    I used to drive a Viper GTS. For $500.00 I got the ecu exchange tuned. Before and after dyno. Picked up 20 peak TQ and HP. AF's after tune were fine. In 4th gear the car ran 2000 to 6000 rpm 1 full second faster. Drove and performed like a different car. Well worth the $500 it cost. IMHO the tunes offered for an F car are WAY overpriced. Otherwise I would have one in a minute. Definitely get an AF after to make sure the engine is safe. GTS Bruce
     
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    #9 tifosi_, Apr 30, 2015

    Yea they are asking $2500 for the flash upgrade for my 575, that's four times what it cost you to do your Viper. What is an "AF"?
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    #10 au-yt, Apr 30, 2015
    From my understanding the upgrades generaly reduces to protection dialed in due to the unknown environment and fuel the car may experience and especially the top of the rev range end. If you see a car on full reves you will see the hint of a rich mixture this is an area that is adjusted.

    I would be more interested in knowing the cam timing is correct , I am not sure just what " production" accuracy or tollerance ferrari work with. From my experience the production verses workshop manual are different things, and I would be interested to know Taz's thoughts.
     
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    #11 tifosi_, Apr 30, 2015
    If it reduces the protection at the top of the rev range like when I'm tracking the car then I'm not interested in doing it. If that's true I would like to know or hear from someone here who knows. Terry?


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    #12 tazandjan, Apr 30, 2015
    On Ferraris, I think of how many they actually have to do any testing with, and the answer is very few to none. Unless it is someone like Bradan. With a Corvette or even a Viper, there are quite a few around and a little trial and error is possible to come up with a good compromise. With a Ferrari, not so for the V12s. Over 3.5 years there were around 600 575Ms sold in the US and they came with different DMEs and exhausts during production. So the tuners do not get much of a chance to test or experiment.

    So who knows? A crap shoot. The most reliable tuners I have seen claim about a 20 hp gain, which is probably reasonable without too much risk. You can get about the same gain just dumping the center muffler/resonator.
     
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    #13 tifosi_, Apr 30, 2015
    That doesn't sound reassuring to me Terry, in that case, I think I'm probably better off trying to be satisfied with the engine's output in that case and instead just focusing on improving my suspension to FHP or even HGTC specs.
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