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Euro F40 differences year to year?

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by SSNISTR, Jan 25, 2007.

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  1. SSNISTR

    SSNISTR F1 Veteran

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    I know that the Euro F40 had some changes made to it over the years, most of them minor ones, many that you couldn't even see. But I was wondering what some of the VISUAL changes were. So between 1987 and 1992, what were the visual changes made to the Euro cars? Thanks!
     
  2. Simon^2

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    I'm not aware of any. But I am by no means an expert... am interested to hear if there were any...
     
  3. SSNISTR

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    I thought that cats were added one year, and the door panels might have changed color from year to year. I might be mistaken, but I thought some minor changes were made over the 6 year run.
     
  4. Simon^2

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    cats aren't exactly visual IMO.

    The most major I can think of would be all early cars had lexan side windows, with standard roll-ups being offered soon after.
     
  5. SSNISTR

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    Yeah that too, although I think you had a choice of roll up or sliding windows on Euro cars right?

    Because I think I've seen sliders on late ('91-'92) cars as well.
     
  6. SSNISTR

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    Well after some quick research on Euro F40's this is what I have found out.

    (Correct me if my information is wrong please.)

    1-Sliding windows went to roll up windows, but the sliders were still offered up to the end of the production run.

    2-The inner door panels went from red to black. Although some later cars had red inner door panels according to a few sources.

    3-Cats were added at some point, I do not know the exact year though.

    Can anyone confirm this information???? And does anyone have anything else to add????
     
  7. Anteriore

    Anteriore Formula Junior

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    Prototypes vs production cars had a number of visual differences but I guess this thread is not about that (has been discussed before).

    Sliding windows = red inner door panels. I have never seen a sliding windows car with the later carbon inner door panels or the other way around.
    You are very right on the fact that a lot of late cars (91 and 92) have the earlier sliding windows and early inner door trim, but I cannot confirm if these were factory fitted or later swapped by the owners. The overall accepted "rule" is that the first batch of F40s all had sliding windows and red inner door panels, whereas later cars (from late 1988/early 1989 onwards) had the roll up windows and carbon inner door panels.

    Very early cars had different side mirrors, attached at the base of the sidewindow on the A pillar, but I'm quite sure these were all prototypes or pre-series.

    Cats were added somewhere in 1990, but I guess Euro cars could be ordered without. A cat equipped car can easliy be identified as they had very different looking turbos compared to non-cat cars.
     
  8. fredhart

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    didn't they, at some point, go from having a cable to open the door form the inside to a handle?
     
  9. Simon^2

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    Nope. All have the cable inside (unless the Sutan of Brunei car/nigel mansell car have something special)
     
  10. Simon^2

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    True. Mirrors were moved during prototype, but not during production.
     
  11. Volks

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    I read something about the rear plastic (?) window / engine cover, went from 3 openings to 2 (or vice versa). Did see this difference on same F40.
     
  12. SSNISTR

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    Thanks for the information, we seem to be on the right track.
     
  13. SSNISTR

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    Well I spent a little more time researching things, and haven't found anything new. It seems like as far as the Euro F40's go there were very few visual changes made to them from 1987-1992.

    As mentined before, this is all I could find.

    1-The addition of cats mid in the run, which many removed when they added a sport exhaust.

    2-Inner door panels that went from red to black. But as stated before many late cars also had the red ones. Owners either changed them on their own or the factory did make some late cars with red inner door panels.

    3-Windows that went from Lexan sliders to roll ups. Once agian though, many later cars had the Lexan sliders. From either many owners changing them out on their own, or once again, the factory making some late cars with the Lexan sliders.

    If anyone can confirm that the inner door panel/window changes were done by owners or the factory it would be great for this thread. I kind of find it hard to believe that such a large number of them were changed by the owners and I tend to think some late cars from the factory were made that way. Maybe it was an option of sorts.

    Thanks for any help/feedback.
     
  14. cridom60

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    just few words to confirm that even this F40 ("sold" first to nigel mansel) was same as the others, excepting ugly leather seats ordered by nigel. This car was registered last year in France, sold to Lille Ferrari dealer against and F430 by the owner who was not having enough space in is garage to secure also his F50 and his brand new Enzo (the last sold in France). So the car is still available (engine problems as far as I now). have a look on the pic presenting both this car (on the left) as well as mine (on the right) at this time.
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  15. allanb888

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    I have had a chance to look at a number of F40's including mine (a 1992 model), and I have noticed that many models have small differences, which is not surprising since the car is a hand built, not on a production line.
    ie differnt panels blacked out under the car, and under the rear lid.

    But the consistant changes are as follows;

    The way I quickly recognize a late model car, is to look at the air filters through the rear lid. The later models (91 and 92 I think), have a silver coloured air filter housing, and the box is mounted longitudinally. The older models have a black box mounted across the car.

    If you really know F40's, you will notice that the later cat cars have a different arrangement of heat shields around the engine.

    A real F40 expert will notice that the very late model cars have a more complex arrangement of air injection hoses and devices at the back of the engine.

    The late model cars have 3 manifold vacuum sensors mounted above the removable cabin engine cover, while the older cars have only 2

    I would assume that the later cat cars would have a different ECU (engine management computer), or at least a different chip. The computers look the same externally, but I wonder if they have a different part number. Does anyone know?
     
  16. menoy

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    Didn't the very early cars also have some rectangular lights on the rear grille apart form the 2sets of double round lights?
     
  17. SSNISTR

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    Those were prototypes.
     
  18. SSNISTR

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    Some great information! I would love pics of the two airboxes though. I THOUGHT that Euro and US cars had different ones. I had no idea that the Euro ones might have changed over the years....are you sure about this being a Euro to Euro difference, not a Euro to US difference?
     
  19. allanb888

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    I am fairly sure about the Euro spec cars, but I am not sure about the US cars, which have many differences that make them about 150 kg heavier.

    I'll try to find some pictures. and post them.
     
  20. allanb888

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    I think these red lights are just the 2 rear fog lights positioned higher up than usual for certain markets.

    Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper if all governments could agree on one safety standard for the world, instead of different cars being built for each market?
     
  21. Tabletcounter

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    Am I right in thinking all cars odometers read in KM's only?
     
  22. SSNISTR

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    Nope, MPH too.
     
  23. Tabletcounter

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    Spoke to a main dealer today here in the UK, about any differences/things to look out for between UK supplied cars and Euro supplied and he said all exactly the same including odometers all in KM's.

    So guess he was talking BS!!
     
  24. SSNISTR

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    I THINK some have speedos that have both measurements on them.
     
  25. shill288

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    The brake rotors changed on Euro F40s as well during the production run as well. From Chassis number 80733 is when the changed happened.

    Steve
     

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