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355 Engine Runs Hotter After Coolant Flush and New Radiator

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  1. C-speed

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    Hello! I recently bought a 97 Spider and I swore the engine temperature ran around 190F. I noticed a small crack/leak on the driver side radiator so I replaced it with a new aluminum one and did a coolant flush. I don't know what the previous owner used for coolant but it was blue in color so I flushed out the old coolant and refilled using Honda Type 2 coolant. Now the engine runs at 210-215F according to the gauge.

    Does anyone have any thoughts on why? Thanks!
     
  2. spaghetti_jet

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    It's fairly normal for the temperature to raise quite a bit before the fans kick-in. The temperature should drop down with the fans on, or as soon as you start moving and air goes through the radiators.

    If you still have elevated temps when driving in cool air, or with the fans then here are a few ideas:
    - air in the system (did you turn on the cabin heater on while bleeding?)
    - not enough coolant (did you top-up coolant when it cooled down?)
    - Is the thermostat working correctly?
    - Blockage (is the cooling system uniformly hot all over, any "cold" spots?)
    - Does the new radiator have enough surface area compared to the original one?

    I know these are basics, I'm not trying to offend...

    By the way, there is a school of thought on here that the F355 runs too cool with the standard thermostat

    There are *many* threads on F355 temps on here...
     
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  3. Badabing!

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    First get an OBD2 reader that can display the coolant temp to verify the gauge is accurate.

    I had a problem with an erroneous coolant temp sender once.

    Second, (and I don’t think this is the cause of the higher temps, but) you should choose coolant based on the coolant mfg’s recommendation for the vehicle.

    IIRC Zerex G-05 is the correct coolant

    Also, did you verify whether it’s premix or concentrate and dilute accordingly?

    If the car is in fact running hot as corroborated by the engine ecu, the first thing to check is correct fan operation on both sides.


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  4. C-speed

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    No, I didn’t. I thought the cooling system was self bleeding from what I read?

    Yes. Even checked the level the following day.

    I suppose it is. It was working before I replaced the radiator.

    Where would I check for cold spots?

    It’s identical to the original, just all aluminum, instead of plastic end caps.

    No offense taken! I appreciate the help. Thank you!


    I read some of those before posting. Not sure if I follow that camp. At least I’d like to figure out why the temps suddenly went up first. It’s hard to believe that a different type of coolant would run 20-30F hotter.

    I’m tempted to drain the system and run just distilled water and see if that makes a difference. But I didn’t turn the heater on to bleed it originally, so I’ll try that first. Although I did let it idle for like 15min and even drove it for like 30miles after.
     
  5. INRange

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    Make sure both fans are working. They should both kick on around 190 degrees or so. If only one is coming on ......that would possibly explain it. Perhaps something is up with the wiring connector near the radiator you replaced.
     
  6. Ferrarium

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    I raise the rear of the car to force bubbles up, some peoples driveways and garages are not level and run the heater. The after every drive for a few drives I bleed the system with the bleed valves on the hard lines. Its a 348 but I suspect the 355 is the same?
     
  7. C-speed

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    The driverside fan definitely works. I verified that after replacing the dr side radiator. I'll have to check the passenger side one. However, the temps are high even while moving :/
     
  8. C-speed

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    When I did the coolant flush, I had the rear end up as well. I didn't have the heater running though and I didn't bleed with the bleed valves. I'm going to try that today though. Fingers crossed.
     
  9. Ferrarium

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    The coolant runs though the heater and turning it on turns on the heater pump in the front boot and will flush the bubbles through that certainly exist in those lines.
     
  10. C-speed

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    Gotcha, thanks! I'll report back shortly, hopefully with the issue resolved :)
     
  11. spaghetti_jet

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    The 355 is self bleeding, but you need to leave the cap off the expansion tank with the engine idling until 1. The thermostat is fully open & 2. It’s finished burping all the air out. As you read above, turn the cabin heater to full heat, fan position 1 and a/c off.

    Don’t let the expansion tank run dry. It is ok to trickle distilled water/coolant into the expansion tank while the engine is running. A trickle, so as not to thermal shock anything. When it’s finished burping up all the air, top it off (5cm below the top of the tank) with a trickle of coolant. The top of the coolant should look like you’re lightly simmering a broth. That’s when the thermostat is open and everything is circulating. Then put the cap on the expansion tank and let it run a little longer to build up pressure and check for leaks.

    For cold spots, I check all parts of the radiators and hoses for even temperatures all-over. There will be a few degree difference top to bottom of the radiators, but nothing drastic. I use a laser thermometer, or sometimes just my hand for accessible/safe places.

    I’ve always bled my 355 with it horizontal, not jacked up front or rear.

    HTH.
     
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  12. C-speed

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    #12 C-speed, Aug 8, 2022
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    Thanks for the tip! I re-bled the coolant with the heater on and it burped up a ton of air. With the diagnostic tool, the temp held at 190F. However, the gauge is wildly inaccurate! The gauge shows 210F while the tool shows 190F.

    The coolant is made for aluminum blocks and it’s premix. I doubt the coolant would be the cause for higher temps as well. It looks like it’s just the gauge is off (and there was air in the system still)

    Both fans work. When the temp reaches 198F ish, both fans kick on and the temp drops to 190F.

    Took her for a spin and the gauge never went over 210-212F indicated (just right of the 210 mark). I presume everything is good to go since the gauge is inaccurate. Like said earlier, 210F on the gauge is actually 190F according to the diagnostic tool. Here some pics to show what I’m seeing. Just shy of 210 on the gauge is 190 on the tool.

    Thanks for all the help everyone!
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  13. C-speed

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    Thanks for the tip! I used my laser thermometer and both radiators read the same temps from top to bottom.
     
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  14. Targatime

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    Interesting. BTW, what OBD2 system are you using? That's a nice readout.
     
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    I am sure you know this but that is oil temperature and not water temp, right?
     
  17. C-speed

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    OMG! I'm such an idiot... I've been looking at the wrong gauge the whole time :facepalm:
     
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  18. JLF

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    Haha…too funny! Sounds like something I’d do.
     
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  19. PaulK

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    You are certainly not an idiot! I've done worse and I am sure we all have. I am just glad it was an easy fix and not something that cost thousands of dollars. :D
     
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  20. C-speed

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    Thanks guys! I feel so stupid lol I suppose confirmation bias IS a thing :facepalm:

    Onto the next project!
     
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    Hey I'm a pollack. Trust me I get it LOL
     
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  22. C-speed

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    LOL! Dang Italian gauges... I need to learn how to read Italian.
     
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    Dont bother, it's more fun this way :)
     
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