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engine break-in (not Ferrari, but old Lampredi Twin-Cam)

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  1. ashsimmonds

    ashsimmonds F1 World Champ

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    #1 ashsimmonds, Jul 29, 2005
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    what do you guys think about breaking in an old italian engine that's just been painstakingly rebuilt?

    yep i've done searches here... will list them at the end of the post...

    the engine i'm talking about is a 1608cc from a 124BC, circa 1970.

    in stock form 35 years ago: :eek:
    80x80 bore/stroke
    110hp @ 6400
    103 ft/lbs @ 3800

    mine has been fully balanced and obviously all tolerances are miniscule and whatnot. other stuff this engine has:

    dual downdraught IDF40's
    132 "rally" cams
    MSD 6A-L + Blaster 3 coil
    remanufactured dizzy converted to electronic
    Kent-Cams adjustable vernier sprockets
    block/head decked to the max, likely over 10.5:1 CR
    lightened flywheel and stuff
    high performance ceramic button clutch
    HPC coated extractors, free-flow (no cat) exhaust
    um... other stuff i guess, but you get the gist. :cool:

    now, this is all in the arse-end of an X1/9, weighing around 900kg (2000lbs) which originally had a 67hp 1.3 SOHC in it.

    it should be started up for the first time in over a year in august, and whilst my mechanic is responsible for initial running and the first part of the break-in, it's been recommended by him that i pretty much just drive like a volvo for 1000k's, get it retuned and go for it.

    now, i read this website a couple years ago, and now that my break-in is nigh, i thought i'd revisit it. the cliff's notes version is that for the first 10-20 miles you run the engine as hard as you want it to be in the end for a significantly better lifespan and power output.

    if you haven't read it before check it out: http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

    finally my question: what is the consensus here about how i should treat this engine? i think with some suspension tuning this car should be some serious fun, somewhere between an Elise and a GT4.

    search results (homewerk)
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53994
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43602
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38004

    and here's some of the posts that caught my eye
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134638443&postcount=21
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134796208&postcount=41
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134527495&postcount=12
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134528081&postcount=15
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=101755&postcount=9
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  2. andrewg

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    I can't answer any of your questions, but don't suppose you want to tell us how hard the engine swap is (had 3 X/19's in my teens and have been hankering for another one, but this time without rust and with more power)

    Thanks
     
  3. Kram

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    Keep it below 3,000 RPM for the first 500 miles - if you can bear it. Don’t run it at the same RPM for a long period of time, such as on the highway. DON’T LUG IT!! High RPM is better than lugging. After 500 miles and a torque wrench on the head bolts gradually increase the RPM. After 1,500 miles do anything you want.
    I hope it has a lot more power than the showroom floor X/19. I remember leaving a San Francisco dinner party in ‘78 and getting a lift in an X/19. With a cold engine it couldn’t get up the hill! I berated the driver as being a real plonker so he got out and gave me the captain’s chair. I couldn’t get it up the hill either! It stalled no matter how many inches of clutch we burnt! We were laughing so hard the men in the white coats were starting to draw near. In desperation, and with a nonexistent reputation on the line I did a three point and reversed up the hill to the owner’s great amusement. Since then he has referred to me as not only a backward child but a backward adult. Where was your engine when I needed it??
     
  4. Fiat Dino 206

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    Just a thought ... you might wish to "GOOGLE" your question about breaking in an engine.

    http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

    Is one site that you might find some useful information at.

    You might check some of the Ferrari manuals for break-in procedures (246gt for one) you may find some interesting information there that will help you make up your mind as to the best way to break-in your engine.

    Best wishes
     
  5. ashsimmonds

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    thanks but you've effectively just paraphrased what i wrote, and i'm trying to decide between the 'recommended' procedure and the hard-running procedure... :cool:

    think i covered that... :D

    and yeah i've got a bunch of Ferrari OM's, but they say the same old thing:

    ################
    up to 1000km: 4500rpm
    from 1000-3000km: 5500rpm
    from 3000-5000km: increase progressively up to 7,700rpm
    ################

    like i said, this engine isn't out of the factory with standard tolerances and whatnot, it's hand-built and balanced and everything is done perfect down to a bees-dick.
     
  6. ashsimmonds

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    set aside lots of money and time if you can't do the engineering yourself, for a Twin-cam that is. otherwise your best bet is an Uno Turbo. they are almost a drop-in, and without getting too crazy you can get 180-200hp out of them reliably, well and truly enough to kick the ass of contemporary Ferraris. from what i can tell UnoT's are fairly common in pommyland too, we never got them in oz so they're hard to get from anywhere but new zealand. :(
     
  7. Fiat Dino 206

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    Oops, my mistake ...

    Best wishes
     
  8. PSk

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    Ash,

    I'd relax and just take it easy for the first 500 (if that) and then nail her.

    My race engines (yep not complicated Ferrari engines but fully race prepared Alfa club racing engines. 12:1 compression ratios, etc.) were run in for only minutes on the dyno (ie. until oil in the exhaust gas reduced) and then they were WOT for load runs. This did not hurt them one bit.

    When we pulled them apart of did any maintenance (like checking clearances, etc.) everything was always perfect.

    I even once tried to run one in by driving to the track (a 6 hour drive) and I only got 1/2 an hour in to the drive before I accidentally (;) :D) hit the rev limiter ... no damage and engine was a beaut!

    Running in engines is an old school practice that really goes back to the hand scraped white metal bearings ... which had to bed in to get the final clearances right, etc.

    Nowadays all that you are really worried about is ensuring the rings bed correctly ... and going too slow can cause problems.

    The important thing is that first oil change ... as you might drain out some swaft from the machining that was missed.


    If you lived in New Zealand I would give you one of my sisters phone numbers as I always thought she would be the perfect person to run in any road car engines ... why?, cause she never ever labours an engine and also never nails them hard ... always happily some where in the sweat spot. One of the most engine sympathic drivers I have ever had the pleasure of sitting beside (in a car) ... I guess growing up with a mechanic father has ensured this; while I am more inclined to hammer the engine ;)

    Pete
    ps: How many brand new modern Ferraris do you really think get properly run in? ... I say less than 5% ... I'd say within 5 minutes of leaving the dealership they have been red lined :D.
     
  9. ashsimmonds

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    yep i just spent an hour with my mechanic talking about all the little things, and basically he'll do the initial bedding in of the rings, and he reckons after that i could basically take it out and race it just fine. but given that there's likely to be some teething problems and other stuff that has to be sorted out, it's best i don't thrash it until we're sure everything is werking fine, and then i can put it on the dyno to tune it correctly and off i go. :)

    no this isn't what i want... well i'll take the number if she's hot... but for my engine i don't think i want it treated sympathetically, i want it used like a muscle, flexing a bit to start with and then getting the full range.

    yeah, read some of the links i posted at the bottom of my first post. ;)

    thanks.
     
  10. PSk

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    Please make sure you atleast do a mixture check, before running her too much ... I've melted pistons in the past because of waiting for the dyno run :( ... $$$$$

    Pete
     

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