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ELEMENT Fire Extinguisher: An Introduction

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  1. isaydingdong

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    Great answer but the INSURANCE issue wasn't addressed!
     
  2. Saabguy

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    Just FYI, I bought 4 as stocking stuffers. They are for automotive use for the family who currently have nothing so whatever it is has to be better. I do miss the days of purchasing Halon off the shelf in rattle can size.
     
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  3. isaydingdong

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    I have something, and if this unit fails I want my family covered.
     
  4. Element

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    Thank you. As mentioned UL certification is a requirement for only a very small range of users and you are still totally free to have an Element in those environments. We actually have sold a number to regulated businesses as supplements to those inspected by the fire marshal. One customer is a restaurant that has Element's at their cook stations because using a traditional extinguisher would leave them cleaning for days. Another is a mechanics shop that put one on each hoist, again fearful of customer vehicle damage from the corrosive powder of a regular extinguisher.

    Regarding insurance we actually have two separate policies. One policy is held by the manufacturer in Italy with specific coverage for our company and its customers in North America. The other policy is from a North American insurance company that we took out as extra protection. Without this no serious North American company or agency will do business with you and it would be foolish to enter the marketplace without it. To our larger retailers, warehouse distributors, OEM accounts, and Police & Military clients we make the details of our insurance coverage available and any interested parties can contact our offices by telephone or email for further clarification.
     
  5. Element

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    PM Sent. For all others with trouble the new F-Chat now calls PM's 'conversations'. To PM us click on our username and then click on 'start a conversation'. It has been tested and is working fine.
     
  6. Albert-LP

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    I disagree, the 308 is not a fire prone car. It's that just if it still has 40 years old fuel lines (as every other car with 40 years old fuel lines).


    Where is the factory located?

    Thank you very much.

    Which is the fire rating, for the A, B and C Italian rating Classes?

    Thank you very much

    ciao
     
  7. Element

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    Agreed a poorly maintained 308 is prone to fire.

    The factory is near Turin and the Italian fire ratings are A,B,C,F & Electrical .
     
  8. Nuvolari

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  9. Albert-LP

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    Thank you very much: But I would like to know how much the rating is, I mean the number there is before the letter, for example 21 A, 144 BC and so on.

    Thank you very much

    Ciao
     
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  10. Element

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    Alberto sorry but I do not have the European numbers you are requesting as our expertise is in the North American market. The whole classification system with differences between countries is incredibly convoluted and difficult to follow with no firm international standard. I'll send you a PM with some more information and am happy to correspond with the manufacturer in Italy to see if they have the numbers you need.
     
  11. mwr4440

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    Any plans of making a remote ignition and mounting bracket (mounted under the hood) sysytem?
     
  12. thorn

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    Do you not have insurance on the vehicle already, that covers loss from fire (or any other source)? Any fire suppression system may fail to stop the danger, depending on circumstances.

    Beyond that, your family shouldn't be near the car once you've determined it's burning, whether you choose to tackle the blaze yourself or not...
     
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  13. Element

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    Interesting that you should ask. Our extinguisher technology works extremely well in confined spaces where it is possible to create a saturation in the air. In fact in a totally closed environment like the interior of a car you can actually deploy our extinguisher throw it in and close the door and the fire will go out by itself! We are working together with the FIA to develop a self-contained system that would be approved for racing and can live in the engine bay. As you can imagine the timeline to develop and approve such a product is long but I can say that we are actively testing prototypes so it is well beyond just an idea.
     
  14. Saabguy

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    Thinking about that, it looks like it "burns" while/to releasing it's gas. how hot does that get? I assume that the handle is protected so that it can be held but if I toss it into a car is it hot enough to catch the carpet on fire? Just in case there is someone I don't like who may not need as much oxygen as they seem to be using. ;-)
     
  15. Element

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    You are correct there is a chemical reaction taking place that creates some heat and a tiny flame front at the tip of the unit as it discharges. That flame, due to the saturation of chemical coming out, cannot start any kind of fire. I have literally sprayed atomized fuel on it and it would not light so you can be sure a carpet will not catch fire from it. As for the unit itself you are supposed to hold it from the handle because with the passage of time the unit gets hot. This heating happens on a very progressive level so if you are holding the extinguisher by the body it will give you plenty of notice to re-position your hand to the cool handle.
     
  16. Gerry328

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    Will the under seat mount work on a 328?
     
  17. Element

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    Yes. I have tried it on my 308 and I believe the seat mounting to be identical between the two cars.
     
  18. Albert-LP

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    the Potassiun Nitrate based fire suppression systems (like this one) suppress fire through a chemical inibition of the combustion. Here in Italy we know them with a different brand (Grima, http://www.grimaitalia.it/ita/sicurezza.html), but they are the same (FSS 50 and FSS 100 models). The suppression system they use is called "Aerosol based". The working process is this: Basically a solid, the potassiun nitrate, is ignited like a lighter and then it releases chemical sub products that break the combustion chain of the fire. You light on the potassiun nitrate and it releases a spray that stops the fire. Pay attention as when the discharge is completed, the fire can revamp again, as with the powder fire entinguisher.

    Good product, a bit expensive. It's sold here in Italy by the BRICO shop chain

    here you are the prices in Italy (FSS 50 and FSS 100, at present they don't sell the FSS 25 here in Italy):

    FSS 50: http://www.bricoio.it/it-IT-it/Grima-Fire-Suppression-Systems-FSS-50_GRD7T001.aspx
    FSS 100 http://www.bricoio.it/it-IT-it/Grima-Fire-Suppression-Systems-FSS-100_GRD7T002.aspx

    ciao
     
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  19. isaydingdong

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    will do, can you post your phone number
     
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    I was thinking of it more in a garage as well with a mounting bracket on the wall.

    It's convenient size makes this a good unit for car and garage.

    Not sure I understand the different sizes in burn time, seems the 50 one fits all the bill. What would the 100 one be used for?

    I've never used a fire extinguisher before ( hope to never use one ) but this is very appealing and handy.

    Do these units have an expiration date ? How long will they last without use. What's the standard.

    Is this something you buy online through CC ?
     
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  24. Element

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    Coupon code sent
     
  25. Element

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    Christmas is just over a week away but it is not too late to order an Element as a gift. F-Chatters are welcome to message me for a discount code.
     

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