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Do aftermarket parts profoundly affect the resale of the 458 ?

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by RWC58, Mar 1, 2019.

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  1. RWC58

    RWC58 Karting

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    General discussion or opinions on exhaust , stripes, wheels ,stereo upgrades or anything you can think of and if it affects the value or resale of the 458 . I'm more or less wondering about tastefully done modifications or additions . OR are we better just leaving these rides in their stock configurations for maximum resale and appeal ? I see cars for sale with mods on them and wonder if it helps or hurts the sale .
     
  2. klinkman

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    This is a LOL to me.

    Guys who pour $ into their cars always want to get top dollar for their mods.
    The truth is over the long term the only options of any value are the ones that come from the factory.
     
  3. RWC58

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    I'm sure you are right now that I think about it mainly due to the fact there are no cheap Ferrari mods
     
  4. obbob

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    Resale wise you are better off never modding your car. You are also better off never driving your car. Actually you are better off never buying the car in the first place.
     
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  5. RayJohns

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    Depends on the mods. Also depends if you are selling the car privately or via a dealership. Usually stuff like aftermarket exhausts are pretty easy to resell. Things like non-factory stereo upgrades, aftermarket wheels, stripes (non-factory), wraps, stuff like that - not so much. Also, drastic lowering jobs, that can sometimes cause issues. I've passed on cars because they were lowered too far. By the same token, I lowered my 458 Italia 15mm in front and it was a non-issue. I sold my 360 with hyper flow cats and a Tubi exhaust and that was viewed favorably by the private party who purchased it. I also sold my 355 with a Tubi exhaust and a Brembo F40 brake upgrade and that actually served as a selling point.

    When I bought my 458, it had an aftermarket wiring job for some radar detector, as well as an aftermarket skid plate. As soon as the car arrived, I removed the wiring for the radar detector and cut it back out of the factory harness. I also was not super happy to find out it had a skid plate (which had not been disclosed to me prior to sale), but once it arrived, I actually ended up loving it on there.

    Sort of a case by case basis I think. If you think you are going to get your money back out of a lot of high $$$ mods, think again. Also, too much of that sort of stuff can really cause a lot of conservative Ferrari buyers to freak out and steer away from buying your car. Myself, I prefer buying a car which is basically how it rolled off the assembly line in Italy and if someone (even the dealership) as done something after the fact, they better have a darn good reason for it and it better be done to very high standards, or I, personally, am not interested in taking the risk that some local hack-shop did the job correctly.

    Case and point - on my 458 Italia - the dealership assured me that the company who installed the wiring for the radar detector "did a top notch job and we use them all the time". Okay, the real story is that I called the company who did the job and the person there didn't really know what they were talking about when I started asking them specific questions about how the wire was routed through the car and where they tapped into the factory power supply. When I removed everything, it was done "okay", but I discovered that however did the work busted the factory clip which held the rear panel onto the car behind the driver's seat. They just left it broken and shoved the panel back to hide it. When I corrected that, I saw why. Installing that clip was next to impossible. I had to order the factory clip from the dealership, have it sent out and even then it took me 45 minutes to correctly get that stupid upholstery clip to seat correctly. Luckily I ordered two clips, because the first one ended up crushing and I had to learn from that mistake and use the 2nd clip - so I could certainly see why a stereo shop didn't have time to sit there all day trying to get the factory panel correctly put back into place on the car when just doing a quick and dirty "wire up a radar detector power lead into this 458".

    As I say, personally, I'm not a big fan of car where other people have monkeyed around with stuff. At the same time, I have seen more than one example (e.g. on the 458 and 488) where there was clear evidence even on a factory car, where the people in Italy didn't bother to properly attach screws or thread bolts in properly on the car during its assembly and/or left screws bounding around or clips not attached. On my 458, I had to use a tap to re-thread a body hole where someone started a bolt and cross threaded the silly thing and just ran it in as far as they could. That's a rookie mistake when it comes to assembling things - so even people at the factory can do sloppy work.

    Bottom line, the fewer people who have modified and/or made changes to your car, the better in my book.

    Ray
     
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  6. Austex458

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    I think that tasteful mods that can be reversed without any permanent damage to the car can increase the appeal of the car but not necessarily the value. I've lowered my 458 with Novitec springs and added HRE P201 wheels but if and when I go to sell my car, I can give the buyer the option of reinstalling the factory springs and the factory wheels. I always like to personalize my cars a bit to differentiate it from other cars.

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  7. wthensler

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    Typically I’m a stocker, but I did install a Fabspeed exhaust. To me it sounds great, but I expect zero ROI upon resale, if I ever decide to sell.
     
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  9. klinkman

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    hilarious photo - xclnt location!
     
  10. Gh21631

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    Certain mods such as exhaust, suspension (ex. novitec springs), perhaps certain wheels. Everything else makes people wonder how the car was used and by who.

    Funny, I wrote this before seeing Romeo's post.
     
  11. obbob

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    I used to be in the “keep it stock” group. It’s perfect from the factory, why change it?

    Then I very cautiously did my first mod: an exhaust. Was very nervous on how it would change the car. However, the moment I floored it for the first time with the new exhaust, I was immediately hooked. Modifications really do give you the ability to improve the fun you have with owning the vehicle. There’s also a bit of mental aspect of knowing that you made a car that is truly to what you want.
     
  12. C4sxm5

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    Also depends on the buyer. I’m in the market for a 488 and wouldn’t pass on a the right car if it had mods. I probably wouldn’t pay much more if anything for the mods but things like wheels and exhaust would be a plus for me if they also had the original parts since I could remove them and sale them. I personally wouldn’t mod a car with anything that wasn’t easy reversible.
     
  13. Austex458

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    That's where I have to buy my clothes after spending all of my money on the car, LOL.
     
  14. RayJohns

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    One thing to be aware of with aftermarket wheels: weight.

    Some aftermarket wheels look cool, but they bring a huge amount of additional weight to the equation. That can not only be bad as far as MOI or unsprung weight goes, but it can induce extra wear and tear on other area, such as the gearbox. Just ask any rapper who has taken off the relatively light weight stock Ferrari or Lambrogihini and installed larger (and usually poorly designed and manufactured) wheels and tires. The additional rolling inertia can wreak havoc with drive train components, such as the clutch, gearbox, etc.

    When it comes to cars and motorcycles, I always try to find the lightest possible wheels (and tires) available - or just leave what came from the factory in place. A lot of people love changing wheels and tires, but very few bother to stop and study areas such as the MOI of the rim itself or stop to compare different tire weights. You'd be surprised what a few extra pounds can do to a car - especially when it's spinning like crazy.

    Ray
     
  15. willcrook

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    many aftermarket wheels are lighter, it's suprising how heavy OEM wheels can be in my experience when some inexpensive replacements actually improve unsprung mass

    also OP: all the mods you 've listed are easily removable so I wouldn't worry too much.
     
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  16. Surfah

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    ^The key point is the modifications are reversible. My advice would be to keep all the OEM parts/rims/exhaust etc and when selling the car offer the prospective buyer the car with the modifications. If he/she prefers the OEM spec, return the modificiations to OEM and sell the aftermarket parts individually.
     
  17. c8spidey

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    As a car dealer by trade(not a Ferrari dealer) for 30yrs. i can categorically say that 99% of the time the added upgrades add basically 0 $ or value to the cars' value. You'd better enjoy the extras cause you paid for them not the next guy.More so for exotics. Also, you're limiting the pool of future buyers.
    Original is king!
     

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