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  1. tim bowles

    tim bowles Karting

    Mar 6, 2020
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    Mr Massini,

    I just had my car shipped in from California last week. It has a strange history. Can you assist me with the history?
     
  2. tim bowles

    tim bowles Karting

    Mar 6, 2020
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    My chassis number is 01668
    0009674
    Gearbox number 865e
    Body number 858

    Originally assigned chassis number03866, but the changed to 01668 which was the chassis number of the first dino this italian bought, then crashed. It was an m serie . He then had another dino ordered. But asked for his old chassis number to be assigned to save taxes. Is this right?

    Thx

    Tim
     
  3. tim bowles

    tim bowles Karting

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  4. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #130 Marcel Massini, Mar 15, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2020
    So what exactly ist the question? You know most of it already.
    It appears that the later (second) car now uses the identity of the first one. This for sure was NOT done by the factory. Must have been done privately by one of the owners and/or his dealer.
    Your car really is 03886 but unfortunately using the identity of the earlier 01668. It is possible that 01668 was crashed.
    Pretty sure that the seller in SoCal (Mr. N.) told you all that prior to your purchase.
    I'd never buy a car with such a history.
    I recommend to send this car to Maranello and to have it properly re-identified with the correct number 03866.
    My 0.2 cents.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  5. tim bowles

    tim bowles Karting

    Mar 6, 2020
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  6. tim bowles

    tim bowles Karting

    Mar 6, 2020
    87
    gallatin tn
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    M Tim Bowles
    Mr Massini,

    Thank you for your reply. I was told by dealer the car was crashed, and to save taxes, he had his first registration from the chassis reassigned to his new dino. The dealer claimed this was std practice in italy at Ferrari. It sounds like you feel that is not correct, the factory would never do that. Are you saying the cars value is seriously depleted by this history? The first owner was part of the coachbuilding family carrozzeria, who had a special relationship with the factory. Silvio Fontana was his name.
     
  7. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Disagree. And no, such things were NOT standard practice in Italy at Ferrari.
    Silvio Fontana of Varazza (Savona) was not involved at all. And he did not have a special relationship with the factory. Zero.
    The car (the real 01668) had five (5) private owners until April 1975.
    Only AFTER that date the re-numbering happened. None of the first five owners was involved and certainly not the factory.
    The re-numbering (change of identity) happened AFTER 1975.
    I have the registration paperwork for all that in my archive.

    And yes, of course, the value is harmed with such a story.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  8. GIOTTO

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    Dec 30, 2006
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    Can you post some pictures of your car and the different chassis numbers ?
     
  9. tim bowles

    tim bowles Karting

    Mar 6, 2020
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    Yes, I will do that.
     
  10. Albert246

    Albert246 Rookie

    Feb 23, 2020
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    Albert Hitchcock
    I am trying t find out the original Warranty number for my car. Its the number on the front page of the warranty book and its listed in the format N. xxxx/D.
    Where can I get this number from ? Would Maranello have it ?
    Thanks
     
  11. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Check your PMs/conversations.

    Marcel Massini
     
  12. GIOTTO

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    Did you found a camera ?
     
  13. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Photos below show numbers found on Dino 246 GT chassis #03866 and these numbers (engine type 135 CS, engine number 0009674, gearbox number 865 E, body number 858 on trunk lid hinges and reservoir bracket) are matching with chassis #03866 but that car currently uses the identity of #01668.

    Marcel Massini

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  14. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Bump.

    Marcel Massini
     
  15. TimF12

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    Mar 18, 2019
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    Hi Marcel,

    Hope you are well. Great thread! I am the owner of 02918 and was wondering if you could let know what info you have on the car and if you would be kind enough to check the engine (0008644), gearbox (389E) and body (408) numbers. I know its original colour was Verde Germoglio with a nero interior.
    Much appreciated.
    Thanks
    Tim
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  16. TimF12

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    Mar 18, 2019
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    Hi Marcel,

    I've had a chance to find the numbers on the boot lid hinges, and they have a different number 260 on both of those. The car did have a full rebuild back in the 1990's so its possible these originate from that time? Anyway it would be interesting to know what are the original factory numbers.

    Thanks
    Tim
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  17. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    All of these numbers are correct.

    Marcel Massini
     
  18. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Body number 260 on the boot lid hinges belongs to chassis 02640.

    Marcel Massini
     
  19. TimF12

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    Thanks Marcel that's good to hear. Interesting how mine has ended up with hinges from 02640, I looked in the compendium and it shows 02640 was originally delivered to Lebanon.

    Thanks
    Tim
     
  20. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    That is correct.

    Marcel Massini
     
  21. gtrandbleu

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  22. Marro Baptiste

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    BAPTISTE MARRO
    [QUOTE = "Marcel Massini, message: 146551033, membre: 16985"] 01216:
    Couleur extérieure d'origine: Rosso Bordeaux 20-R-351.
    Couleur intérieure d'origine: Beige 430.
    20 octobre 1970 date d'achèvement de l'usine.
    Type de moteur 135 CS, interne # 409. Fiat # 000.6326.
    Boîte de vitesses type 607 M, interne # 662.
    Type de carrosserie Scaglietti 607 M, # 53 M.
    Livré neuf à Italcar SpA à Turin, en Italie.
    Premier propriétaire Renzo Manzone.

    Marcel Massini [/ QUOTE]

    Bonjour,
    Est il possible d'obtenir tous ces renseignements si je donne un numéro de série?
    Merci d'avance.
    Baptiste
     
  23. P4AntonLM

    P4AntonLM Karting

    Dec 31, 2007
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    Austria
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    Anton Schicho
    Dear Marcel,
    We are working on a L Series Dino Barn find and would like to ask you kindly for some production datas
    for this car if available. The VIN shows 00803 and was build 1970.
    With best Regards,
    Anton
     
  24. jtremlett

    jtremlett F1 Rookie

    Feb 18, 2004
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    That chassis number must be wrong as it should be an even number.
     
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