have a closer look at the chassis no. of this Dino 246 GTS...... and compare to a correct chassis no. close by.... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Well isn't that something? Was the "Auction" car even the car owned by Damman and later Cavang? I do find the notation about the "legally being a two owner car" because the current title is not registered in the owners name...... I hadn't noticed the missing "S" from the VIN tag or the funny stampings when I had glanced at initially. I was more wondering when the engine/body modifications had been done. Shawn
Blatantly! Is just about anything in any condition coming to market? Now that is a sign of an oversold market...
I don't know if that is the case or not. I have often seen cars with "unknowns" sold at auction over the years. I can't say there are more of these today than in years past. I honestly think there are fewer of these today than in past years. Today, it easier to research than in the past. Don't call me a conspiracy type of guy (but I am), but it seems cars like this build the argument for a "Classiche" certificate. Kinda funny, huh? Shawn
anyone have links to the results of the latest auctions? I was told there were a bunch of dinos but I cant find the results anywhere
gooding Lot #32 1974 Dino 246 GTS chairs and flares Chassis 08486 Est: $500,000 - $600,000 Sold: $510,000 +commission Lot #72 1973 Dino 246 GT Chassis 04984 Est: $380,000 - $440,000 Not sold at $330,000 high bid Lot #82 1972 Dino 246 GTS Chassis 03652 Est: $350,000 - $425,000 Sold: $325,000 +commission ($357,500 total) bohnams the day before a yellow 246 coupe sold 297k includding comm and a red 206 I think was right around 500k including comm
RM 1972 Ferrari 246 Dino GT Sold for $363,000 (includes premium) Chassis no. 03154 1972 Ferrari Dino 246 GTS Sold for $396,000 (incl prem) Chassis no. 04368
"The current owner has maintained the Dino for many years, but it has not been registered in his name; as a result, it legally remains a two-owner car, as it is still titled in Mr Vaneys name. " In other words the current owner didn't want to pay whatever transfer and road use fees they have there so he just kept the car in the garage or maybe drove around the block occasionally when the cops weren't looking. Not good for a car.
Someone that was looking seriously for a Dino at Amelia said the examples were subpar to say the least.
I agree, went to buy a dino, I found what I think is rust on all the cars I evaluated. Do all Dino cars have some bubbles under the paint? Image Unavailable, Please Login
More so in the invisible places, but if you are lucky, they will be more evident as in your photo...then, you will really know what you are buying Of course, there are some exceptions...so, shop wise. Regards, Alberto
Ray, Welcome to the Dino ownership experience! When I started in the Dino obsession I began buying books about various cars and enjoyed perusing them, learning more each day. One thing that the Ian Webb book "Ferrari Dino" made clear was the repeated incidents of serious body rust. He is in the UK so that is an extreme wet zone but the book was printed in 1980 and it detailed known "pockets" where water can get trapped causing rust. Dinos were barely SIX (6) years old and books were being written about the rust observed Look for rust in anything below the waterline but common spots are - Front fenders aft of the wheel - lower door - door sills inner and outer - aft of the rear wheel Aft of the rear wheel is a strange place because Ferrari used two sheet metal pieces in a sandwich. Talk about a recipe for rust. The body sheet metal curve down and around but then they needed a support bracket to mount the inner fiberglas wheel wells and span the open back area. The first photo shows this. The second photo shows 05702 just out of metal restoration work and the pieces of rusted panels placed in relative position. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Let's see if I am understanding this.... Auction cars are not as pristine as they might seem in the catalog. Auction cars tend to drive the market. They also seem to be different today than 5 years ago, when top of the line cars were auction cars. Today, auction cars aren't what they were. Most auction houses are trying to get "GREAT" cars, but are settling for what they can get. I think the best example of where the Dino market is, or might be, is the barn find car. It is a GT. I am in no way speaking of value, but for what this car is and as it sits, I don't know what the reserve was. I have personally inspected this car. It is unique and interesting. It didn't sell. The fact that it was bid well into the $300k+ range, makes me question those claiming the Dino/Vintage Ferrari market has burst. Shawn
...if someone does not have pictures demonstrating that their car has had rusty sections repaired properly and then benefited from a proper respray, I think it is wise to assume a Dino has more than its share of rust. I am always amazed when I show up at an auction and someone is claiming that the car they are selling benefited from a bare metal respray but they have no pictures to prove it. Take a look at how OMGJON documents his restorations - that's the bar for me to know what I'm paying for. When I sold my Dino at auction in January, prospective buyers could review a book of photos showing the car at every stage of the restoration. They could see the frame tubes with the floor removed, the panel repairs, the paint prep, application and wet sanding. While I see the appeal of buying an original, unrestored car, I would purchase one assuming that they are hiding some rust and that they require some work. Call me paranoid but I think it is prudent to hope for the best but plan for the worst. Keith
Here are some very explicit photos of the rust found and where. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/206-246/345174-bradan-246-dino-restoration-24.html
Price: $347,500 Year: 1972 Quite personalized, triple exhaust each side, replaced and changed dash layout, added console and glove box from a British car? 1972 Ferrari Dino 246GT http://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/galleria_images/4071/4071_p39_l.jpg
that's pretty consistent with the prices and quality of what we saw at the last auction in march noted in this thread
Paid dearly- couldn't be happier - finally found a Dino GTS -love it! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
