Hey Guys... Possibly a few dumb questions.. I was with a friend this weekend who has a 360 Modena. I noticed he has factory turn signals on the sides of his car. He knows that the previous owner did not install them. So my questions are... Did those side markers come on us models of the 360? If not, would that mean that he has a european model? If so, are there any differences between the two.... ie, euro vs us?? Thanks Petey
I beleive both US and Euro models had the side markers installed. The easiest way to know if the car is Euro is to look at the temp control. The Euro has celcius and the US has farenheit. I have both a Euro modena and a US Spider. The Euro is noticeably faster and louder exhaust note due to not having pre-cats. Otherwise the same.
Another give away is headlight washers. Euros have them and US does not. Oh and license place space. Euro is wide and short.
Right you are, John. Since you mentioned this, I was wondering if you could answer a question... I've seen Euro 360s without headlight washers - were they added to the car in 2000...?
Actually, I believe that headlight washers came with HID headlights. On euros HID was an option so not all have the washers. I am not 100% on this but I think I have it right. Let me look in my manual and see if I can get a more definitive answer.
In California, all the Euro 360's had to meet dot/epa requirements. Therefore a number of items were changed: The inside of the doors needed to be strengthened for side impact. Side markers lights were added had to meet California requirements. The speedo and display needed to be changed to MPH Certain parts of the fuel system were upgraded (cut-off valve) for better protection in case of rollover. OMBD 2 was added. Euro cars had no pre cats. Euro cars had headlight washers. Euro cars had additional control switch in the drivers controls (fog lights? vs headlamp wash control). US cars had dumb panel in this spot. You can also tell a US car by a look at the VIN, US cars have the letter "A" or "51A" in the middle of the VIN.
I would think that the easiest way is to look at the VIN . If it is a USA car the 8th item in the VIN will be A. If it is a EURO the 8th item will be B.
Hi Bora, That's the logic behind it, but.........my 360 is (obviously) a Euro/UK car and all my temp's (water/climate) are in Fahrenheit. I queried this with Ferrari and they told me that whatever was in stock at the time was fitted! BTW, side markers are not fitted to Euro cars (take a look at my album in my profile for pics of my UK car). The side repeaters are in amber as queried by the OP. Euro cars had the option of HID lamps and only then were washers fitted, it's law here to have washers with them. I don't know what the US laws are re HID's and washers. I also believe that HID's were made standard from mid 2002 onwards for Euro spec cars. All Euro 360's don't have side markers. HID's were made standard from mid 2002 I believe, they were an option until then. Spot on, as above.
Euro cars don't have a secondary air pump, u.s cars have a different carbon can and fuel system. No pre-cats so exhaust manifold different, and one less oxygen sensor per bank. Different motronic maps in engine e.c.u's. Headlamps different, door mirrors different, no alarm noise on activation of euro cars. no annoying dash buzzers in euro cars! Bumpers different in u.s cars, no foam pads on euro cars. No rear fog lamps fitted to u.s car, euro has orange filters for rear indcators, u.s lamp units red.
Wow! that's a whole lot of cash!! I guess that explains the value difference between a euro and a federal spec out in the U.S then.
Yes that's correct. In fact, every manufacturer who fits HID lamps to UK cars has to also fit washers!
I don't understand this comment, how does paying conversion costs reduce the price? The price difference is because FNA won't honor the warranty, they do cover recalls. This sets up a price differential that theoretically goes away with the expiration of the warranty. Problem is that people who don't know spend a lot of time spreading FUD about how bad a euro is and the established differential in price doesn't just vanish. The gap narrows over time but there is still a pricing gap. I have a complete list of everything that was changed when my car was federalized; I could check the receipts but that price is about right. None of the changes are very invasive, pretty much bolt on and go. Reinforcing the door was mentioned below, there is a difference between the doors internal structure but once the DOT approved them for import they cleared that hurdle. I don't believe most were done. The bumpers weren't changed and reinforcement wasn't added to that region either. True for UK and much of Europe. Not required in the US so the US cars don't have washers.
John, i read the comment and was confused as well. But I chaulked it up to me being a euro owner and being sensitve. Unfortunatley a few on this website have a lesser opinion of euro cars and perpetuate that to others. Outide of this site no one would care.
Hey, i'm not trying to belittle Euro cars, i'm an Englishman, so haven't had many dealings with u.s spec cars. My take on the market was that Euro's were worth slightly less than Federal cars in the U.S. If i'm wrong, well fine, it's only what i was led to believe......
Pretty sure another clue indicating a Euro is it's brake lights aren't full circles, rather only half of the lense is illuminated. Seem to recall someone telling me this was because the other half of the lense is used for the rear fog light.
Hi Zips. Yes the outer red lamps are the rear lights and "half moon" brake lights. The fog lights are the two inner (as in lamp units) lamps.
Rusty, I appologize. Did not mean to imply you were one of those folks. Just many threads in the past where folks would speak down of the euro car.
Very ture. Not sure if there is a weight diff between spider and modena but my euro modena feels noticably faster. By the way Mike, love your Murcie. Once the economy shows even a glimmer of light, I am purchasing a used one. B
Yep. Derek got that one before me. No offense taken. I was just a little confused. Yes, there is a price differential but, as I stated, I think it has more to do with warranty & FUD than anything else. As I always point out, they only sell good cars in the US. They sell the bad cars to everyone else ;-)
