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Dead brand new F8 Spider after 9 days

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  1. carnegie

    carnegie Rookie

    Dec 13, 2023
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    Hi everyone,

    I took delivery of a beautiful white 2023 F8 Spider in October and was able to join the Ferrari community.

    The car has ~200 miles on it and sits in my building garage/valet. My building is a bit finicky with the trickle charger, so the car was not connected to it, but it was being driven every 4-5 days.

    After 9 days it seems like the battery has drained. When I try to start the car, the dash gives me every error possible (airbag/tpms/etc.). I kept the trickle charger in the frunk, and with some fiddling I was able to get it to pop open to connect it. The trickle charger alternates between flashing red and yellow, and according to my dealer this means it’s “not connected”.

    Is there any hope for keeping it plugged in for 1-2 more days? So far there hasn’t been any headway after being connected overnight.

    Is this an expected experience? I previously read the car could sit without a tender connected for a month. What’s a more realistic timeline?

    Thank you.
     
  2. Kent Adams

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    #2 Kent Adams, Dec 13, 2023
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    There are a lot of threads about the F8 battery issue. The trickle charger is probably only pulling 4-5 amps and it will take a few days for it to charge. You should get more than 4-5 days easily without a charger I would think. If not, something is wrong. There are a lot of variables, but being this is a new car, give it another day on the charger and if it doesn't work, ask the dealer to pick it up. Ferrari's do weird things when batteries go bad. That battery in the F8 seems to cause a lot of problems with the car from what I've read. I have no connection to the company below, but I've read others are using this.

    https://www.juicemyride.com/products/ferrari-f8-battery-charger?variant=40071130710077&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAyeWrBhDDARIsAGP1mWRtaR2b1pJvMtgNGee83bapf8V1TziYiyVODoqm0fMWowUamxTpaikaAq2_EALw_wcB
     
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  3. 05F430F1

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    I’d jump it with a Noco boost or whatever, go for a long drive and then come back and put the tender on


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  4. Eric C

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    Narcan?
     
  5. mkraft3003

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    Was the car brand new in October or was it pre-owned and sitting for a while? Unfortunately if it was sitting at a dealer for a while and wasn’t plugged in you may have a bad battery which is common.
     
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  6. SD455TA

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    A brand new car doesn't mean a brand new battery......Just the commute from Maranello to your dealer destination takes a lot of time and causes hell on a Ferrari starting system, specifically the battery. And you don't know if the dealer had it plugged in even if they say they did. I don't think you killed off the battery. Your important question about realistic timeline to plug in the battery maintainer is.....EVERY TIME YOU PARK THE CAR FOR THE EVENING. Period. And if your building gives you problems you need to figure out another way to garage your car. If you continue the way you do it, your battery will be dead in a year or 2. Jump starting it gets you going and you should have one of those too (cheap insurance and peace of mind). I am now in the 3rd year of ownership of mine and its a 2015. Car even sits for 6 months without being started and the battery (age unknown) could be 4-5 years old now. I religiously keep in on a tender and have not had any problems at all. After 6 months, it starts right away.
     
  7. carnegie

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    Thanks everyone. Appreciate the feedback and ideas.

    To clarify, it was purchased brand new. It arrived with a broken mirror motor and now it might have a bad battery. Interesting experience so far.
     
  8. carnegie

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    Is this better than the stock trickle charger that is included with the car?
     
  9. SD455TA

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    I remember when growing up as a kid, the most critical time that something would happen to your "new" car would be the first couple weeks after you get it..........I can't speak to the aftermarket battery charger however, my opinion is that the Ferrari model is very good and has extra cycles on it....at least the one provided to my SpecialeA does. So I would just go with the Ferrari one. You are getting over that hump now and if your experiences are like mine and that is, the SpecialeA is perfect in every way, you'll find that yours will be too and you're fortunate to be an original owner, I wish I could have been too. PS. I'd sure like to know who was the loser that took our your mirror. That is so wrong.
     
  10. SAFE4NOW

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    To be clear, your Ferrari F8 is provided with a battery maintainer, not a battery charger, 2 different things.
    Your maintainer is used to maintain the battery state of charge, and over time, will help keep it at 12.9v

    A battery charger, will attempt to charge a depleted battery from say 5v back up to 12.9v

    I am sorry your Ferrari experience has not been the best so far, hopefully it gets better the more you drive it!

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  11. Kent Adams

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    The Ferrari charger is just a rebranded CTEK, there is nothing special about it.
     
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  12. carnegie

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    Thanks! The battery is currently at 7.9v.

    To clarify, should I bother looking for a charger or should I call Ferrari roadside? Is it straightforward enough to address with a charger?
     
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  13. Kent Adams

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    I don't have an answer to that. I can say that when a battery is completely discharged, it can damaged the chemistry of the battery. There are chargers out there that claim to "repair" a fully depleted battery, but I don't have any personal success with those. Full disclosure, I don't own an F8 but I do and have owned multiple modern Ferrari's. From what I know of the battery in the F8, it's caused an unusual number of problems for owners. I understand that its a relatively new supplier out of Romania that supplies the F8 battery. I run lithium batteries in my cars. AGM batteries are better than lithium in cold weather, lithium is better for initial voltage draws when starting a car. Now, I'm not an engineer, but I've had better experiences with lithiums than other chemistry's.
     
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  14. Kent Adams

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    My go to for recharging a battery, which is different than a battery maintainer, is the NOCO Boost high amp models. They have worked really well, especially with dead batteries that were fully discharged.
     
  15. SD455TA

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    And its sure good enough for me. The other maintainers that I use are mostly are "Battery Tender"....they have been flawless for me for 15 years now and I acquired one YUASA along the way somehow and it also has been flawless nearly 15 years as well. I do expect the "rebranded" CTEK from Ferrari to also offer that same performance. I like it.
     
  16. SD455TA

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    By all means Get the NOCO and put it in your frunk so its there if you ever need it. I am lucky to have a Ferrari Dealer about 5 miles away however I won't feel the need to ever call them...I hope.
     
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  17. Kent Adams

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    #18 Kent Adams, Dec 13, 2023
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    CTEK is an industry leader with a long history. It's an excellent brand. I just wanted to point out that just because Ferrari comes with a privately labeled tender, doesn't mean it somehow has magical abilities specific to Ferrari. Sometimes people new to the brand need to be told that so the Dealer doesn't try to convince them otherwise. Ferrari does a lot of **** wrong and new owners tend to think Ferrari's **** does not stink, but in some areas, their **** stinks worse than others. Ferrari is all about creating a reality distortion field, like Apple does. Don't get me wrong, I love Ferrari, but sometimes they cut corners and/or haven't properly done R&D which is understandable for a low volume manufacturer. No one new to the brand should think Ferrari is perfect, it's not. In fact, it can't be at the volume of production they do.
     
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    If its an option for you, I would suggest having the dealership take a look, scan the car for faults, just to be sure there isn't something else going on.
    Ask them to install a stand alone quick connection directly to the battery, so if the need arises, you can connect an actual battery charger to it.
    We've done it before, and it seems to work well for those in the need.

    Steve
     
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    #20 RoadRonin, Dec 13, 2023
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    I used this to jump start my car so I could get it to the dealership and have a new battery installed. It now has a home in my frunk. As mentioned earlier, these batteries get drained during initial transport, sitting at the dealership, etc. Once you get your new battery, definitely keep the car on a tender.

    NOCO Boost HD GB70 2000A UltraSafe Car Battery Jump Starter, 12V Battery Booster Pack, Jump Box, Portable Charger and Jumper Cables for 8.0L Gasoline and 6.0L Diesel Engines https://a.co/d/0WmC2T0

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  20. Depending on the state of charge of your battery, you can "jump" the car using the OEM battery maintainer that came with your car.

    Unplug the maintainer from the outlet, and the car, plug it into the outlet, plug it into the car, then hold the reset button until the first light starts to flash and blink. Then let it do its work.

    The Ferrari maintainer will charge the battery from dead to full, but it can take more than 2 days to do so since its a slow charge.
     
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  22. Kent Adams

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    Jumpstarting a Ferrari is fraught with dangers to the ECU. I don't recommend it. YMMV.
     
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  23. What I said up above is actually from the manual for my Pista.


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