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  1. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    As Steve pointed out US Duty is 2.5%
     
  2. vroomgt

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    Steve,
    was this car really with Garrison or are you thinking of the metallic car that Marcel photographed?

    BTW which car was with Noel Blanc.....also with minimal mileage, but sold some years ago?
     
  3. 410SA

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    Mine is a Euro that came to the US at some point, went to Japan in the late 90's and returned in 2006. It has Euro bumpers and exhaust, Euro rear light lenses and interestingly no seatbelts.
     
  4. robert biscan

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    I also wonder whether the auction is for real. That is quite a premium and the car will need work with that low a mileage on it. I don't like the color but that is a personal thing. Reserve is not yet hit at 1315000. From other posts it is nearly double other normal sales not too long ago.
     
  5. synchro

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    It has that "Nehru jacket" style collar that was so popular in the 60's...

    ...err... not that I am really that old to recognize this
    </back paddling fast>
     
  6. Anteriore

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    BTW which car was with Noel Blanc.....also with minimal mileage, but sold some years ago?[/QUOTE]

    Blanc owned 14829 and 16903.
     
  7. shill288

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    Let's nip this bumper thing in the bud before it spreads.

    All Daytonas, European and USA, Coupes and Spyders, have the "compact" bumpers except for 1973 "model year" USA Daytonas, Coupes and Spyders. I use "model year" because in this case Ferrari actually starting importing Daytonas as 1973 models before Jan 1, 1973. In contrast to 1972 where Ferrari was still importing Daytonas as 1971 cars in Dec 1971.

    For the 1973 model year Ferrari added extra bracing with a big square tubing to the front and rear of the USA cars. The front bumper supports were welding directly to this piece of tubing, the supports are longer and the bumpers themselves are different. If you look at the inside of a 1973 USA bumper it has extra bracing in there as well. In the trunk of these cars Ferrari added an extra square tube as well. Much thicker than the trunk frame. The rear bumper supports on these cars go straight through the body and welded to this new structured. The gas tank supports are also moved inward from the earlier cars to attach right behind where the bumper supports are welded. The supports on these cars are painted black and have a grommet were the support passes through the rear body work. The other cars do not have this grommet as the support was attached directly to the body and small trunk frame. The earlier USA car have body colored supports as well. It's my guess Ferrari went to black so the black grommet wouldn't stand out, but that's an educated guess. Basically, the rear bumper on the non-1973 USA cars is useless. Ferrari actually tried to make this work for the 1973 USA cars to meet the USA's new 5mph front and rear (was 2.5mph but was upped to 5mph) crash tests. A lot of owners have modified their 1973 USA cars by cutting down the bumper supports to look more compact.

    So, if you like the "compact" bumpers, purchase any Euro or 1971/72 (before the 73 bumpers) USA car. One of my Spyders with a build date of Nov 1972 already has all the 1973 model year stuff. So, you'll need to look before Nov 1972 for the compact bumpers on USA cars.

    I have pictures of all this mess if anyone is interested.

    Steve


    Steve
     
  8. opus10583

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    Yes, please.
     
  9. vroomgt

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    Blanc owned 14829 and 16903.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks!
     
  10. AndruetBiche

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    A few years ago we were going through one of our parts storerooms (original Cdn dealer) and came across a rather crude hardtop. We assumed it an ill-fitting Fiat Dino hardtop and ended up chucking it out in the dumpster. Turns out it was an original Daytona hardtop for a spyder!
    How many cars were delivered with one ...3?
     
  11. robert biscan

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    Do you think it would fit any spyder? Sounds like a real financial loss.
     
  12. of2worlds

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    The ex. Garrison Spyder 17073 was actually painted a Pinninfarina color called 'Oro Chiarro' (clear gold) which was seldom used. IN 1971-72 period there were only two Daytona coupes painted for USA sale in that color. It is a more significant car than the white spyder. Was there a better Spyder that they are holding on to....
    CH
     
  13. shill288

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    Definitely more significant. It is the last Daytona Spyder.

    Ah, so that is Oro Chiaro Met. 106-T-19. It is better looking than the Marrone Colorado color I've seen. Still not my cup tea.

    It's amazing the amount of "standar" color choices that were available on Daytonas.

    Steve
     
  14. of2worlds

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    Steve: how about 'French Blue' for a USA Daytona coupe circa 1971? Can't remember the Italian name for it. There were at least two coupes done in that shade. One is still around. That is another color that starts arguments; some like it and some don't. Last year there was a 246GT Dino shown in that French Blue color down in Australia. Nobody would say if the color was original to that car or not. Red was a less common choice in the old days...
    CH
     
  15. shill288

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    I'm not which "blue" is considered "French" blue. My very first Daytona was a Sera Blue Metallic, 106-A-18. I liked with the Biege 3218 interior (i.e., tan).

    I show the following Blue colors as "standard" colors for a Daytona.

    Blue Caracalla, 2.666.901
    Blue Chiaro Metallic 106-A-38
    Blue Dino Metallic, 106-A-72
    Blue Ferrari, 20-A-185
    Blue Ortis, 95.3.6159
    Blue Ribot, 2.443.631
    Blue Sera Metallic, 106-A-18
    Blue Scuro, 95C.6159
    Blue Tourbillon, 2.443.607

    I'm sure someone on FerrariChat will know which of these is considered "French Blue". Having seen French Blue, it's definitely not Serra Blue Metallic.

    Steve
     
  16. opus10583

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    There's a Ferrari "Blue"?

    Pics?
     
  17. yale

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    I have heard this one also refered to as "French" Blue Ribot, 2.443.631.

    Best, Yale
     
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  19. miurasv

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    15007.
     
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  21. Marcel Massini

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    Right front bumper still hanging down (since Monterey August 2017), should be re-adjusted finally.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  22. Edward 96GTS

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    also
    -missing headrests
    - missing black paint under front/rear fascia
    -wrong clock
    -rear side lights installed incorrectly
    - rear relector bezels not chrome
    - missing smog equipment
    -etc etc
     
  23. TTR

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    Based on listing photos, I'd say both front bumpers could use a little "adjustments" and should the next owner wish to pursue high IAC/PFA guidelined judging score by addressing all those Ed listed above + countless others, perhaps the car is priced accordingly ?
    I mean nothing that money can't fix.
     
  24. Edward 96GTS

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    most curious is why are the original seats missing?
     
  25. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Because former owner Robert Toney, who got the car in 1983 and who passed away in 2002 and whose family kept 15007 until 2007, had them replaced ages ago.
    Here's a photo from 2017.

    Marcel Massini

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