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  1. Boudewijn

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  4. Boudewijn

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    You're right NNO, system error.
     
  5. Gerald Roush

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    Well, if the history cited above is correct then 15297 can't be the car we are looking for. If Roger Sherman was indeed the original owner, and I have been told that Art Miller got the car from Roger Miller, then the history of the car as supplied by Armen rules out 15297!
     
  6. ag512bbi

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    Wow, I didn't intend to make this so difficult! Now I REALLY want to know, WHERE IS THIS CAR TODAY!!!! Thank you all for helping. Is this a mystery car???? I would beleive this is the original color??? In the pictures the car is 5 years old. We bought the car in 1975 making it 3 years old. It must have been original. Unfortuneatly all we have is the color to go by.
     
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  8. Teenferrarifan

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    Come on Gerald and Carbon!!! You guys can do it!
    Erik
     
  9. ClassicFerrari

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    I've never been so excited about a Daytona Spyder :)

    This is really cool.
     
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    You guys know much more about this than I do - what is the reason that Armen's car couldn't have been 16455? Is it known that Mr. Lanvin (?) owned the car from 1972-1991, or is it just known that he owned it in 1972 and someone else owned it in 1991, with no known history in between?

    Seems strange that at least four "owners" are known on Armen's car (dealer in Nyack, Armen's father, Hamilton, and Haratounian) but no one can firmly associate any of these names with a particular serial numbered Daytona Spyder.
     
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  13. ag512bbi

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    NNO yes I've check it out before. No luck. I will E-mail Paul maybe he could help! Please nobody give up on me now!!!! Lets get to the bottom of this "Mystery Car".
     
  14. Teenferrarifan

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    Alright I need more resources but lets go through as many spyders as we can rule out and then we will at least narrow down the search. Armen's car couldn't be
    16915
    16223
    16895
    16903
    14553
    15297
    16455
    Everyone keep adding to the list and eventually we will get it!!!
    Erik
     
  15. ag512bbi

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    Not 17051
    17053
    17073
     
  16. ag512bbi

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    not 17013
    16903
    17045
     
  17. ag512bbi

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    Also,
    If you have access to eliminate the euro cars.
     
  18. ag512bbi

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  19. Teenferrarifan

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    Alright thanks for the site Armen!
    Erik
     
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    Erik, i think the last thing we want to do is ADD to a list... Gerald had it narrowed down to about six cars... 15297 seemed like the best match, but if the history posted on 15297 is true, then it's gonna pretty tough to figure out...
     
  21. Teenferrarifan

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    Carb the car can't be 15297 due to the history of owner's!! :) It also can't be one of these 90
    1. 14365
    2. 14371
    3. 14373
    4. 14373
    5. 14383
    6. 14387
    7. 14389
    8. 14359
    9. 14403
    10. 14415
    11. 14463
    12. 14465
    13. 14469
    14. 14471
    15. 14537
    16. 14547

    18. 14557
    19. 14563
    20. 14565
    21. 14605
    22. 14671
    23. 14699
    24. 14737
    25. 14739
    26. 14761
    27. 14779
    28. 14813
    29. 14823
    30. 14829
    31. 14857
    32. 14913
    33. 14993
    34. 15179
    35. 15239
    36. 15277
    37. 15297
    38. 15369
    39. 15383
    40. 15429
    41. 15525
    42. 15535
    43. 15579
    44. 15593
    45. 15687
    46. 15841
    47. 15845
    48. 15909
    49. 15911
    50. 15917
    51. 15919
    52. 15939
    53. 15963
    54. 15969
    55. 16223
    56. 16451
    57. 16463
    58. 16465
    59. 16467
    60. 16473
    61. 16475
    62. 16497
    63. 16545
    64. 16549
    65. 16689
    66. 16697
    67. 16835
    68. 16839
    69. 16847
    70. 16857
    71. 16859
    72. 16895
    73. 16901
    74. 16903
    75. 16911
    76. 17013
    77. 17039
    17045
    78. 17047
    79. 17051
    80. 17053
    81. 17055
    82. 17057
    83. 17059
    84. 17061
    85. 17063
    86. 17065
    87. 17067
    88. 17069
    89. 17071
    90. 17073
     
  22. ag512bbi

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    WOW!!!!!!!!
     
  23. Teenferrarifan

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    That only leaves like 30 others So Carb what kind of info do you have on the other vins not listed.
    Erik
     
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    i don't know, but when Gerald went through them, he narrowed it down to six... i'm pretty sure it has to be one of those six... Are we absolutely certain that the history on 15297 is correct...?
     
  25. Teenferrarifan

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    Carb you know the numbers of the 6 Gerald narrowed it down to?
    Erik
     
  26. Gerald Roush

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    The cars I originally narrowed it down to were six cars that I knew had been redone in black/tan. But the known history eliminated four of them. But there was a seventh car that started out gray/red.

    So I wound up with three candidates:

    14857. Originally giallo fly 20-Y-191. But offered for sale in 1974 in TX described as silver-gray with red leather. Alleged to have been sold 1974 to Horace Hull II, Memphis, TN. Then offered Feb 1978 by Motor Cars d'Elegance, Santa Ana, CA. Light charcoal gray with burgundy interior. Blaupunkt Berlin stalk radio/cassette. Next offered Jul 1978 by Stutz Motor Car Co., Los Angeles, CA. Black with tan interior. 12,000 miles. Lots of subsequent history.

    15297. Originally grigio ferro 106-E-8 with rosso 3171 interior. No early history known until 1986 when Art Miller, Miami, FL acquired it from Roger Sherman of Florida. Some claim Sherman was original owner. Then offered offered Dec 1986 by MDR Enterprises, Santa Monica, CA. Black with tan interior. Lots of subsequent history.

    16455. Originally grigio ferro 106-E-8 with rosso 3171 interior. Owned 1979 -198? by Jerry Siemons, Beverly Hills, CA. Offered 1983 by Walt McCune, Modena Imports, West Hollywood, CA. Red with black interior. Zero miles on rebuilt engine. Then Nov 1991 at "The Auction", Las Vegas, NV. Described as gray with red interior. Lots of subsequent history.
     
  27. ag512bbi

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    14857 is 100% the car!!!!!!! My father owned Motorcars in Santa Ana in 1978. I am SO SORRY I left that part out. I actully forgot! The search is over 100%!!!!!!! Thank you SO MUCH! Is there any history I can have e-mailed to me please??? ag512bbi@aol.com
    Gerald, I appreciate ALL you help and your time!!! Thank you everybody for helping!!!!!! Another mystery solved!!!
    That makes my day. MERRY CHRISTMAS to all.
     
  28. ag512bbi

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    Another VERY INTYERESTING STORY!!!!! How Ironic is this, Monday I had lunch with Jerry Siemons & my father. We were talking Ferraris (how could you not!) I told him my favorite Ferrari was a Daytona Spider. He went off telling my he had a very rare color Daytona Spider. DARK SILVER/BURGANDY interior!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I flipped out!! NO WAY! I told him the story about this thread. How I was searching for my old car. The years I owned it and so on... He owned his car for 12 years but overlapped the years my father owned his. So He was going to call me back on his VIN#. He thought it was 16XXX, 16445??? 16455. Last night I called him and confirmed his must have been 16455. He agreed.
    Here is a gentleman i've MAYBE met once 20 years ago (when my father owned Rodeo Coach) ( A whole different story) I'm having lunch with him and this conversation comes up! DARK SILVER/BURGANDY!!!!!!!! ONLY 3 of them! Crazy, Crazy, Crazy!!!!
     

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