Are there photo's of the "original" body available ?
Not according to any of the then current day race reports that I have. And the journos involved, well you'd think they'd have known back then. AFAIIC there were no 4.2 engines at Le Mans.
Christian Huet says in his Cavalleria Ferrari P3/412 P book that 0846 used a 4.2 litre tipo 247 engine at Le Mans Test Day in April, 1967.
Bump...... I can't believe this was such a hot topic, and that now there is no interest...... All these unanswered questions yet.
Its a dead conversation, the car left David Piper and Talacrest some time ago, its new owner had had further extensive bodywork carried out. It needs a new thread starting documenting it time post Talacrest/Piper now if anyone is that interested.
Agree. Basically the new owner has started again but their conscience is clear because Talacrest already performed the taboo ... This thread needs no bumping it needs closing . Pete
Done here. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4-sponsored-vintage-driving-machines/449528-talacrest-p4-whats-current-situation.html
Photographic proof P4s had/have a tipo 603R gearbox, not 603 as Mr Glickenhaus has been incorrectly saying for years. Photograph is a screenshot of the Petrolicious P4 0856 video. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I guess P412's had 603 gearboxes as that is what #0854 is, and P4's had 603R gearboxes. I wonder what the difference is between the 603 and 603R? Could be really, really trivial. Pete
The factory build sheet for P4 0856, a copy of which I have seen, also states the gearbox is tipo 603R, not 603.
Not sure if this clarifies anything or not. This is 0846 at Daytona 1967. Photo taken by my father and copyright owned JAG. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Apparently over on his Instagram page JC, from Talacrest now refers to what appears to be this Piper Can-am as an 'original' P4.
That is no doubt because it was originally a P4, and the vast majority of it original components remained so even after conversion and then re-conversion back to such spec, a full and unbroken chain from Ferrari to its present incarnation.....unlike a certain other P4 claimant!
There is a vast difference between 'original P4' and 'originally a P4'. There is no question what JC is trying to now pass this vehicle off as. 'Vast majority of its original components remained' is also less than honest...
List on a piece of A4 paper what was not originally fitted to the car as it exists now, when it was first a P4. Probably half a sheet of paper. Then list what components that still exist in the car that were there when it was first raced as a P4 By Ferrari in the 60s I imagine you would soon fill up 10 pages of A4! That is the difference. Then do the same to every 250 GTO or LM as it stands today.
Exactly....its very unfortunate this car is still being badmouthed here. Of course it can rightfully claim to be an original P4. How many LMs burned to the ground and everyones perfectly fine with the vastly newly built car claiming its original number?! Id say 0858 is likely one of the more original 60ies Ferrari racers around.
Ludicrous claim. What exactly is 'original' about it? Body? Nope. Engine? Nope. Chassis? Nope. Modified by Ferrari into Can-am then modified again by Piper. Interior? Nope. Likely one of the more original 60's Ferrari racers around? Maybe someone that has been hands on with 0858 can list ANYTHING that is actually original on this car from its days as a P4. Anything...