I guess I've been fairly lucky with women in general. I've never had to deal with the games. I guess in my 20's I played the games with them but have since learned respecting them will land you an insane woman that you aren't worthy of. That's my lesson for women. My wife is 100 pay grades above my income level and I'm not worthy of her. Just damn happy she said YES. Lex in this case did everything correct and she either wasn't interested or she really has an ex she's hot on. Who knows. Tons of women out there Lex and you took a shot at one who cares if she didn't drop her skirt. The next one most likely will with the casual approach you just took.