I decided to a complete paint change on my interior (black to ash) and ran in to the biggest problem that you can imagine. Once all the old dye was stripped I SOAKED the leather with rejuvenator oil and now can't remove it. I called leatherique for advice but George never responded. I have tried pristine clean, lacquer thinner (by the gallons) with no luck. I removed as much as I could and decided to spray. The dye went on smooth. Let it sit for a week and than tried to buff the leather. The paint was peeling. Any ideas or suggestions will be greatly appreciated (since leatherique is not helping) Tommy A
I did about the same thing I used "simple green" (a strong soap) and water. I washed it and let it dry a couple days 3 or 4 times until it no longer had that slipperly oil feel, let it dry a couple weeks, then dyed it and it's been fine.
Mike, They are really bad. I used over 40oz on the interior. Learned my lesson and left the side panel for the end. They look great. It's a ***** now. I have to remove the new paint and the rejuvenator oil.
Once you put on rejuv oil, you have to wait WEEKS before you try the water-based dye. Oil and dye don't mix!! Other folks interested in redying your leather, you might look at the notes at www.fca-se.org/conc_leather.htm .
Try some Denatured Alchohol, it will remove old dye also. You can get a gallon at Home Depot I used http://www.reconproducts.com abd had excellent results on my 328, they have stock Ferrari colors and wear and slip additives to make the dye more durable and they answer the phone.
I used the oil on the filthy doors of a "78 308. I let it sit overnight and use the Pristine cleaner the next day. I watched with horror as the dye ran down like rain on a window pane. Fortunately, it was not a large area and I removed the rest of the dirt and oil with warm water. I can't believe this hasn't happened to any other car owner here. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Jeff, I did use their paint and was happy with the results. Durability color & price was great. As I previously stated after I did the damage on the seats and console I did the door panel and they look great. Very easy to apply the paint with a detailers air gun.
I had the same thing happen to me while cleaning the door panels on my 78 308 GTS. The problem cannot really be blamed on the product, but with the age and fragility of the dye after all those years. But I think the warnings and instructions provided are somewhat misleading. The fix for me was to have the interior professionally redyed. This entailed removal of the seats, and door panels, and careful disassembly of the door panels. I had the leather piping replaced on the drivers seat back as well (hate it when folks have the piping replaced with vinyl; yuck). I also had new felt window trim installed along the tops of the door panels (from T.Rutland's). The end result was quite nice.
Dave, Im not complaining about the product. It does very well what it was designed for. The problem here is that no warning as to the amount used and the consequences. I admit I over used it and after multiple calls to leatheriqye, no response. My leather is very saturated and I highly doubt that I will be able to clean it. For now my advise to anyone doing a complete repaint, apply a light coat of rejuvenator prior to stripping the old paint. Let it soak for a few days and than strip the paint and oil with lacquer thinner. You will end up with a great surface ready for paint. Many suggest to apply the oil after stripping the paint. I totally disagree with this procedure. If you apply more than what you need, its guarantee trouble.
I noticed that the dye on my red piping would 'come off' when I used the rejuvenator oil.....I think this is a consequence of the type of dye used by Ferrari at the time. The oil HAS softened the cardboard-hard leather (car came from Texas, and has been baked), however, so I plan on using a second treatment. I apply sparingly with a foam paintbrush, then BAKE the car in the sun - this heats the leather, expanding it, and allowing the oil to soak in. This works well on the laquer dye used on earlier, Connoly Leather interiors. Not sure if this works well on newer cars, since Ferrari no longer uses the Laquer dye (and Connoly is no longer used since they went belly up). I think using the product a little at a time is more beneficial than huge amounts all at once. I've heard stories of folks who soaked their interiors in rejuvenator oil, then sealed up the car for weeks - the interior would rot from lack of ventilation and too much oil.
I tend to think that it was overly long soaking of my door panels that caused the dye to loosen, and then come off with the Prestine Clean. I think I had saturated them for several days, and this was too much of a good thing. With my current 328, I don't even bother with the door panels, since they really don't seem to get dried out, or the stress from being sat on like seats. I do treat my seats a couple times per year, but only leave the oil on for a maximum of 24 hours, and no more. Then us Prestine Clean sparingly, and follow up with a damp cloth. I still see some dye come off, but not much. Dave
I'm telling you the stuff is water soluble, soap and water will wash it out to where the dye will stick. My leather was literally dripping with the stuff...it was soft though Solents will not work. I had to strip the dye off, the original dye came off with laquor thinner, but the new dye with alcohol if I recall.
Mark, At this point I have nothing to loose. I will give it a try and Pray for the best. Thanks, Tommy A
The owner, George Pavlisko, is very active here on FerrariChat, and owns a Testarossa. However, Leatherique is a small mom-n-pop kind of business, so when he and his wife are travelling doing car shows or vacation, there's no one to handle the phones or process new orders and more importantly, to reply to your technical inquiries. Most of the time, though, George is VERY responsive and helpful.
If you want results worth the effort, wait until at least August. Oil and Water don't mix. The agony of waiting goes doubly so when prodigious amounts are used.
I did the interior of my dino with it, used a lot of rejeuvinator oil. I let it bake on the interior for 2-3 days, using a space heater in the car. I got one that was very well insulated, turned it on, shut the doors and walked away for a couple of days. Then used the cleaner and baked it again before I dyed the leather. I think maybe a week in the sun might help the problem, and then use the space heater at night to keep it cooking, as you said, nothing to lose at this point, right? A trip to your dry cleaner might help too. Go ask them what they use to get oil stains out of leather. The local shoe repair guy might be a good source, too. Get something made of leather that you don't need, an old panel, crappy coat, leather underwear, whatever you might have, and do a test on that with various substances after soaking with the oil. If you have no leather to mess with PM me, I have a roll left over from my interior and could send you a swatch to test on. DO THIS BEFORE YOU DO MORE DAMAGE TO YOUR INTERIOR IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE NON LEATHER FREINDLY CHEMICALS. Some will take the R.O. out, and the natural oils, and the color, and wreck the leather.
Mike, Im not bad mouthing anybody. I have been dealing with this issue for the past 3 weeks and was promised a call. Im not expecting personalized treatment. It is a major issue since many of us ran in to this problem (will not be the last) and some advise from the maker of the product used, would have been very helpful considering that leatherique is a sponsor.
i've been a very happy leatherique customer (rejuvenator oil and prestine clean), but i do agree that they'd do themselves a WORLD of good if they spent some time (even just one single day to start) typing up more detailed instructions and dosage-per-context sort of things - and then just slap that text up on their web site. doody.
I highly recommend the products and will use them again. They do specify to use 4 oz of rejuvenator per seat but no solution if you over do it. Just like Mark, my leather is nice and soft. Believe it or not after using all that oil, the leather is still very absorbent. Back in the lab with the cleaners. Will keep you posted on the progress.
Looks like simple green is doing the job. After breaking it down 10/1 washed the center console thoroughly about 4 times. The leather is starting to get its natural color (light brown) and the sticky residue from the oil is gone. Have to wait a few days until its all dry to see the final results.
I just ordered letherique products rej. oil an pristine clean are you teling me that it is a pain in the as8? Should I use only the pris.cean? I have a 5 yr old car w/ good leather int and I just want it to look brand new. Should I use connely hide food instead?
Should I use only the pris.cean Its a great product and easy to use. The mistake that all of us (in trouble) have made is that we over used it. The majority of our Ferraris are old and the leather is very dry and hard from the lacquer base paint and age. More in this case is not better. Use as little as possible. The best way to describe the amount to use, just pretend that you are putting sun tan lotion on your body!!! LOL!!! (Youll thank me later)A little bit will go along way. DO NOT put it directly on the leather. Place a small amount in your hands and massage it in to the hide. My mistake was that I didnt experiment with a small piece. Instead I did the whole interior except the side panels. After learning my lesson the hard way, the side panels look and feel fantastic. As for the rest of the interior!!! Counting on simple green to remove the rejuvenator oil. Good luck!!
Mark, I was somewhat concerned as I was using it on the center console. Ill wait a couple of days until it dries out and if its still sticky than I will use it full straight. Whats the worse that could happen??? If it dries out the leather I have another ½ gallon of rejuvenator oil to use! LOL!!! Thank for all the help!
I would recommend wearing some cheap latex gloves. I'm usually not at all sensitive to chemicals, but I had a mild reaction to the oil and had the skin on my hands peel off a few days later...much like a mild case of sunburn. YMMV