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  1. smglop

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    In that case I still wish you the best of health!
     
  2. hyenahf

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    not on the one i saw...they were black fiberglass like the wolf cars?
     
  3. Lel

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    I doubt it but haven't been in personal with other than the pieces on my car so...

    L-E
     
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    Cool pic! That looks like a 1988 model or so with the later dashboard, and look at the strange extension of the gauges pod toward the center. It looks like they extended the pod to put the stereo there. I've never seen that before.
     
  6. joe sackey

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    Major Gaffe.

    The cover says the "Four generations" when there are really Five.
     
  7. joe sackey

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    I have seen 2 or 3 UK cars with this done by the Alpine concessionaire there when the cars were fairly new.
     
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    Did the factory really commission those? I thought it was an aftermarket thing.
     
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  11. joe sackey

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    There is no such thing as a "factory Countach Turbo S".

    The factory never turbocharged any model of Lamborghini road car, period. They never did anything to oppose the 288 GTO. Where are you getting this highly erroneous info from??

    All the Turbo Countachs were aftermarket affairs of varying degrees of success, put together by privateers, most of which I am reliably informed were completely unreliable.
     
  12. DinoSR8LM

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    I go out of my way not to be ignorant. Hope you can read German.
    http://www.sportauto-online.de/fahrberichte/lamborghini-reventon-trifft-countach-turbo-extrem-sportwagen-1586368.html

    fastestlaps.com only posts lap times for production cars, nothing aftermarket or race.
     
  13. joe sackey

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    Let me repeat again:

    There is no such thing as a "factory Countach Turbo S".

    The factory never turbocharged any model of Lamborghini road car, period. They never did anything to oppose the 288 GTO.

    If you went out of your way, a little research will show the aforementioned is a fact.

    If you read somewhere that the factory Turbocharged a Countach, that info is WRONG. That's all there is to this. Dont mean to be abrupt, just setting the record right.
     
  14. DinoSR8LM

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    Lamborghini Countach Turbo S ist ein Unikat

    In den meisten Auflistungen der Countach-Varianten fehlt ein Modell. Exakt zwei Stück davon gab der Firmengründer 1984 in Auftrag. Der Prototyp ist verschollen, doch der zweite lebt. Als Fremder inmitten einer Ferrari-Sammlung fristete er sein Dasein in Dänemark. Mit 9.000 Kilometern auf dem Tacho kaufte ihn der gelernte Stuckateur Dietmar Götz, der ihn hegt und pflegt.

    Ein lamboverrückter Akkordeon-Lehrer spürte das Einzelstück auf. Das passt, denn dieser Countach ist ein Blasebalg. Den mächtigen 4,8-Liter-Zwölfzylinder flankieren zwei wuchtige Turbolader. Die Verdichtung mussten die Ingenieure zurücknehmen, geänderte Kolben einbauen, zwei Ladeluftkühler unterbringen und eine Auspuffkühlung installieren, damit die Rakete nicht abfackelt. Bei 0,7 bar beginnt die Ladedruck-Skala. Unter dem Lenkrad sitzt eine Handkurbel, so fett, dass sich damit vermutlich auch Atom-U-Boote anblasen ließen. Wer bis zum Anschlag kurbelt, presst bis zu 1,5 bar in die Brennkammern. Die Synchronisation des Zwölfzylinders mit den sechs Weber-Doppelvergasern und den zwei Ladern muss ein Albtraum gewesen sein.

    Mit 333 km/h war er das schnellste Straßenauto der Welt

    Das Ergebnis lässt zumindest auf dem Papier den anthrazitfarbenen Reventón zu Mittelgrau erblassen. 748 PS und 876 Newtonmeter liefert das schwarze Geschoss ab. Mit 333 km/h Spitze war er das schnellste Straßenauto der Welt. So gesehen ist es ein bisschen traurige Ironie, dass sich zwei der seltensten Sportwagen aller Zeiten ausgerechnet in der Schweiz treffen.

    Wer den Reventón im ersten Gang ausdreht, hat das Autobahn-Tempolimit von 120 km/h schon erreicht. Dann begegnet man sich eben auf abgesperrter Piste. Rennstrecke wäre ein großes Wort, doch neben dem liebevoll restaurierten Komplex eines ehemaligen Tanklagers in Romanshorn, dem "Autobau", existiert ein Tempel des Tempos - inklusive Einfahrbahn mit Randsteinen und Kiesbetten.

    Countach bedeutet so viel wie Donnerwetter, und der Name ist beim Turbo Programm. Lockert der Reventón bei 4.000 Umdrehungen noch die Muskeln, schnaubt der Klassiker schon heftig. Nach kurzem Turboloch hetzen die 345 Millimeter dicken Hinterradwalzen los, und der Countach tritt seinen Lenker selbst bei niedrigem Ladedruck heftig ins Kreuz. Das Gebrüll ist dunkel und heiser. Auch unter Bodybuildern soll es Kettenraucher geben. Der Tacho reicht bis 425 km/h, doch schon nach zwei Sekunden im zweiten Gang ist der Bremspunkt erreicht. Jetzt heißt es, den Stier bei den Hörnern zu packen. Die Abblasventile fauchen. Die Bremse spricht eher zäh an und fordert selbstbewusstes Zutreten, die Lenkung kennt keine Servo-Unterstützung - ein Auto für ganze Männer eben.

    Danach in den Reventón zu steigen, ist eine Zeitreise. Geräumige Schalensitze, graues Wildleder, Wippenschaltung. Nach dem Ritt auf dem wilden Turbo-Tier wirkt das alles fast enttäuschend zivilisiert. Anstatt den Druckpunkt einer strammen Sintermetallkupplung zu ertasten, hat der linke Fuß beim Anfahren Pause. Den Rest macht das halbautomatische Sechsganggetriebe. Lenkung, Bremse - alles leichtgängig und fein dosierbar.

    Kaufpreis: eine Million Euro plus Steuern

    "Andere Hersteller bauen einen Prototypen, Lamborghini baut gleich 20 und verkauft sie", sagt René Hirsch begeistert. Der Schweizer Lamborghini-Händler ist einer der wenigen, die eine solche Rarität ihr Eigen nennen. Er würde sich trennen - für eine Million Euro plus Steuern. Die Stimme des Neuen ist deutlich lauter, der Schub aber schwächer. Allerdings ist das Duell auf dieser kurzen Bahn unfair. Der Reventón braucht mit seinem Saugmotor mehr Drehzahl. Er marschiert erst bei 6.000 Touren richtig los, da muss der Countach-Reiter schon schalten.

    Auf dem Papier hat der junge Reventón die Nase hauchdünn vorn. Mit der Beschleunigung von 3,4 Sekunden aus dem Stand auf 100 km/h nimmt er dem Countach Turbo 28 Hundertstelsekunden ab. Doch grau ist alle Theorie. Man müsste sie richtig gegeneinander antreten lassen, aber das verbieten die Etikette. Kampfstiere kämpfen gegen bewaffnete Männer, nicht gegeneinander.
     
  15. EMILIO

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    1- there are no factory turbo countach (as built by S.Agata).

    dealer modified turbo countach ? yes (Bobnar delaer in Swiss, for example)
    factory turbo countach ? no

    Joe is right and any vintage lamborghini passionate would confirm it

    factory did only a "mock up" on a countach engine for display (but not functional)


    2- i had seen period lap times for BB and countach and the countach was quite a BIT faster (as 1-2 sec on a 1.30 min lap time) tks to a combination of factors (weight, tyres..etc)
    Top motoring times are ... good for fun but not more than this

    3- factory built the QV to oppose the Testarossa (...and somewhat the GTO) and i would say the QV had better acceleration and was quicker around a track than a testarossa and not far from 288 GTO's performance (at least on the straight line)
     
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    DinoSR8LM, trust Joe and Emilio on this. Maybe Raymond will chime in, as i can understand he knows the owner of the Turbo CT.

    Btw, i posted some presskit material when this issue was discussed before.
     
  17. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #8367 Olivier NAMECHE, Dec 10, 2010
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    it seems 2011 January magazine gives the word to focus on same topic...
    thanks to our sweeeeet fellow, Simon Kidston, this article was manage in the Alps...
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  18. joe sackey

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    No need.

    The facts are the facts. No Factory Turbo Countach, no response to the 288 GTO. If the magazine article states that this was the case, there were misinformed, lied to, whatever. Bottom line is any publication or proclamation that the factory produced Turbo Contachs is wrong.
     
  19. DinoSR8LM

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    Lamborghini himself had 2 prototypes built. Sport Auto is a well respected magazine with over 500 lap times contributed for production cars on the Hochenheim track where the 25th Anniversary Countach is ranked 327th behind the Testarossa and even the 928 GTS. http://fastestlaps.com/track7.html

    What separates the winners from the losers is the score.
     
  20. Peter K.

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    #8370 Peter K., Dec 10, 2010
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    Lamborghini himself probably had a lot of stuff. But there were no factory production cars that were turbo. Nothing released to the public or press......Even I know this......and I sometimes screw up my facts.
    Let's end the turbo thing. Been discussed too many times. Let's move forward.
     
  21. joe sackey

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    You said:

    "1 of the 2 factory Countach Turbo S cars built in 1984 to oppose the 288 GTO."

    No such thing exists, and you can crow on about it till the cows come home, but it never happened, no matter what you might read.

    Sport Auto might be well respected, but if they have published they the Lamborghini factory made 2 Countach Turbos as you suggest, then they lose respect for publishing erroneous material.

    As for 25th Anniversary Countach versus Testarossa on the track, I call their 327th result total BS. Check this out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPqVF7hqQiQ
     
  22. DinoSR8LM

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    Great video but a hand held stop watch isn't exactly a VBOX and those cars didn't appear to be in the best shape. Granted longer straights would help the Countach, but on the tight Hockenheim it's all handling.

    Even the purpose built Diablo GT is ranked 83 on the Nordschleife(Nurburgring) behind an NSX-R. http://fastestlaps.com/track2.html As much as I love them, they're just not the best track cars. The best handling Countach I've seen at the track could only fit 305/30/18s on custom 18x12 wheels under that heavy V12, which is about what a 911 runs.
     
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    #8373 raymondQV, Dec 10, 2010
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    This Turbo was built on a used LP5000s ELA12712 from 1984 and has nothing to do with the factory, no bit of it.
    Swiss lambo Dealer Max Bobnar had it converted by Albrex in Woergl in Austria, the car was originally biscuit and subsequently repainted in black.

    I know Max Bobnar as the orderer of the conversion and also the current owner personally.
    The car has 748bhp, but 375 of them came from the factory...

    Max had also a LP400s #1121160 converted to Biturbo, the presence of this car is unknown, it's said to be in Vegas (max told me). This car was featured in several magazines and also in the book Lamborghini Countach consumer guide.

    The black devil was only tested in two magazines, in one test ex-formula 1 driver Marc Surer (drove the 1500bhp Brabham BMW Turbo with Piquet) drove the hell out of this car.
     
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    #8375 raymondQV, Dec 10, 2010
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    This page is BS because the track was changed in the last few years giving different times, I have the comparison test between the Testa and the QV, I can tell you the testa had massive more power than original and the driver could handle it better than the QV.
    The difference was 1:19,9 against 1:20,1, all who know how to drive on a track can nothing else but laugh about such a difference.
     

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