Hi sorry boring question... ...does anyone know the correct lighter for a '79 308 GTB (chassis 28295) Just bought this car, and the only thing it is missing is 4 Everest spanners from the tool roll, and the lighter. the lighter hole doesn't look deep enough for the old Brico Pram type, but then all pics I have seen of cars of this era show the early Brico Pram Lighter. I don't think the Brico Pram hole is illuminated, and the one on this car is illuminated - so surely must be the newer pull out type? Very grateful for any help from someone that knows this kind of detail. And also where I can find 4 Everest spanners! The car even had the inspection light, all spare bulbs (nicely aged!) and belts and spare NY7 Champion plugs in the jack bag! many thanks
According to what I know, there was indeed a change from the Brico Pram lighter to a standard cigarette lighter in the 308 production, which occured "towards the end of 1979". I would say that your car, according to its chassis number, was precisely produced "towards the end of 1979", my guess would be October. So I don't see any reason here for you to tore your car apart and change your console: it is very probably the right one. I hope someone with a car close to yours by chassis number will be able to confirm what type of lighter his car has. Rgds
Two very slightly later UK chassis have the big blob lighter that illuminates (p/n 60603000 I believe) eg http://www.classic-auctions.com/Auctions/15-04-2015-ImperialWarMuseumDuxford-1387/1980Ferrari308GTS-39254.aspx# just gone for £ 40 000 plus commission As for the tools keep an eye on Ebay and don't ask any more questions about them til you've read several of the recent and/or previous threads !
My August 80 build date euro carb GTB (c/n 29875) had the pull out lighter fitted - I prefer the look of the BRICO PRAM so have retrofitted one of those (that I was given earlier this year!) but not connected it as I gather they are one of the potential fire risks we have in our cars Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reading threads about tools is mandatory indeed, with threads about oil, and threads about belts. Nevertheless, it is a good idea to start a new one, or bump an old one, when there are too much threads about valuation/prices... (btw: everest spanners look perfectly "period correct" to me...) Rgds
Check your owners manual or spare parts book for correct ligter. Someone may have changed the oriignal brico pram.
Do a search on the lighter. There was a thread a few months back about lighters and I think it was for 1979s. I would post a picture of mine but I have been having trouble posting pictures. Not sure if GTB and GTS lighters were the same but I suspect they are. The other tread with this exact question seem to have covered the variants etc.
..only if your hand rolled falls in there, and gets stuck. They are supposed to time out and pop back to de energized status.
You talk as if the Owner's Manuals on the early cars were updated with every technical change. You really should acquaint yourself with the owners manuals of the 1975 - 1979 period, both North American and Euro, before assuming they cover these minute detail changes. Short answer: They do not..
The Spare Parts Book (a Shop Manual in a three ring binder) is also obtuse and vauge on many items, leading you down a rabbit hole of Technical Bulletins, parts numbers and esoteric knowledge. That, IMO is the very reason we have these threads, and the internet is very helpful in determining, retrospectively, when Ferrari changed things midstream in hand buillt production. If you want to know when they: Changed washer bag from saddle bag to hard tank (mid production 1978) Fixed lighter to pop out element (current discussion) Surface mounted door lock escutcheons to Frenched in flush mounted (who knows?) Well, you need to have help like this., running it down to VIN numbers, IMO.
The consoles are different at the rear, but I think the device layout is the same and matures by year
Wow, thanks so much for the replies! Yes I should have done a search on this forum beforehand, done now this but still no real answer after much discussions. The owners manual shows the Brico lighter, but the car's hole is for definitely for the pull out type (shame as I prefer the Brico one, my '71 Alfa GTV 2000 has one) and you can just tell that this has not been swapped and is factory fitted/OEM. So now I've got to work out what the pull out lighter type is so I can search for one... I have this new obsession for making sure correct OEM parts are used even if it costs me £250 for a lighter I will never use and don't care if it works or not! I have one more mystery to solve about my new baby 28295, the car is Azzuro, and the interior is navy. Question is, the carpets are navy with a faint pin stripe which looks very 'period', but I want to know if this pin stripe is just something that has formed as the colour has faded? Has anyone seen pin stripe carpets in early 308's? I want to colour restore the carpets, but this would be criminal if the pin strip is meant to be there. I will post a photo. Maybe I need to start a new thread on this question? Much appreciated.
Here are pictures of the top and sides with printing/stamping on them. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Is this your Huckleberry ? http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=161596479817 Or http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=400746379157
Alan, you're right on this, of course. There is one telling example about the owner's manuals for the 328: in February 1988, as we all know, the whole suspension of the 328 was changed. Externally, it shows through the convex wheels; but triangles, uprights etc...are different; wheel offset is completely different; and so are all suspension alignement datas: castor, toe-in, etc... Nevertheless, the factory delivered these modified cars ("series 2") for EIGHT months with the older "owner's manual" which has the suspension settings datas for the former supsension! Only in september 1988 did they print an owner manual (513/88 for euro cars, 518/88 for swiss cars, 535/88 fur US cars) which has the correct suspension settings datas... Rgds
My car is about 20 VINs earlier than yours and has the same lighter in rlkjr's photos. (I too like the Brico version, because I remember it from 512BB photos long ago... but $200 on ebay is too rich for me.)
Thanks very much rkljr for the photo's and Detroiter for confirming, so good to know its definately the right one. Our cars must have been the first few 308's to move away from the brico type. Great people here and much appreciated. I am going to post a new question about striped carpets with photos.
522/88 is the small booklet supplement for the cars with ABS; it deals with the ABS itself, but does not deal with the suspension settings. With or without ABS, the cars with the new suspension were delivered after February 1988, and those needed the revised suspension settings. Furthermore, 522/88 was printed in September 1988 only, arriving on the dealerships in october. And there were already 328 with ABS on the roads in Europe since March 1988... Rgds
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Having bought one I have to say that three quid jobbie is so close - maybe if your concours judge removes it to look for the writing shown in the first two photos he might mark you down but if he's going into that much detail there will probably be other issues with the car !
So we have three types for our 308s? Early: Image Unavailable, Please Login Mid: Image Unavailable, Please Login Late: Image Unavailable, Please Login ?
In my experience, no. My 1977 car (21125), which was an originally blue model (blu Dino met.) with blue carpets, has been repainted in the 80s in red and fitted with black carpets. Last year, I decided to return to the original combo. Removing the black carpets, I found a piece of original moquette (the underdash piece with the circular hole for the vent) which had not been changed in occasion of the infamous update. This piece of carpet that never saw the direct sunlight, being constantly in the dark, was clearly plain blue without the faint pin stripes we usually know for the blue moquette!
My 77 when I bought it didn't have the Brico pram lighter. Like you it had a regular lighter socket. The brico doesn't have a socket it is a one piece that can't be removed. I've now purchase the Brico and will install it. My thinking is that many were replaced because they are not very usefull and poeple couldn't plug any accessories in them and that is why they were replaced.
