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"Cool the Engines"-- Banning Certain Qualifying Modes (Mercedes)

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  1. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    BMW's V10 had lost over 40 Kg in its 5 years of development.
    Had it continued at that pace, it would weigh only 40 KG now.

    The BMW V10 CoG was also lowered by 30mm (or was it 40mm) over its development.
    While it went for 750HP to 950HP and became more reliable.

    The V8s were a significant step back from "the the designers design".
     
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  2. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Though with the law of diminishing returns, I think 40kg would be unattainable, but certainly I'm sure they could've made it even lighter.

    Such was the speed of those late V10 cars that even with their raised, smaller wings, less aero knowledge, 30% less tyre, no DRS or electric power to give loads of torque from zero RPM...only now are their times starting to fall.

    Imagine if F1 just kept those end of 2005 engines...hell they didn't even have direct injection yet.
     
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  3. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    The other kind of ICEs that rev up in the F1 engine territory are motorcycle engines. These don't use DI injection, they put the injector above the velocity stack (shower injection) in order to allow the fuel enough time to atomize. The 2000-2005 Ferrari engines used shower injection (Wright book) and moving velocity stacks.
     
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  4. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    isn't direct injection (these days) an advantage over shower injection?
     
  5. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/151978/mercedes-lack-of-engine-modes-hurt-monza-fightback

    So Mercedes suffered with fewer engine modes in the race but not qualy. The result could yield less passing in races. That is not good for the show no??

    Mercedes Formula 1 chief Toto Wolff acknowledged the FIA's ban on engine mode changes hindered both Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas' fightback drives at the Italian Grand Prix.

    Italy marked the first grand prix since the FIA issued a technical directive banning engine mode setting changes in qualifying and the race, forcing drivers to remain in the same power setting throughout the weekend.

    The ruling had zero impact on Mercedes' qualifying pace as it romped to a front row lock-out, but hit hard in the race when both Hamilton and Bottas suffered setbacks.

    A poor start followed by some car-related struggles meant Bottas could only finish fifth, while early leader Hamilton fought back to seventh after receiving a stop/go penalty that dropped him to the rear of the pack.

    Whereas both drivers could have previously turned up their engines at select moments to try overtakes, they were forced to remain in the same setting throughout, hindering their fightback.

    "We always said that, you create one power mode for the whole race means that you haven't got the extra spice to overtake," Wolff said.

    "You haven't got the extra modes that you may decide or not to deploy in the race to overtake, and that is valid for all the small teams as for the big teams.

    "I think that the race is a consequence of that decision."

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    Wolff praised Hamilton for his "really good" recovery drive despite the engine mode technical directive after the six-time world champion fought back from 17th to seventh.

    "It is difficult to overtake in Monza, because with this TD on engine modes, you can't just turn it up for the overtakes and you can't turn it up either to defend," Wolff said.

    "Even more the drive is very good to recover to P7. But obviously it's a lost race for him and the team, and this sentiment prevails."

    Hamilton said that the ruling would lead to a general lack of overtaking at races, similar to what was seen at Monza.

    "It's worse for racing in the sense that in the past you could move between modes and you had to manage the small amount of strong race engine mode, because you only have a certain quota," he said.

    "It was more fun to have to manage with that and manage the power and utilise it for overtaking.

    "That's probably why you see less overtaking than perhaps in the past."

    Bottas reported an issue on his car in the opening stages of the race that meant he struggled through right-hand corners, leaving him unable to get close to cars ahead.

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    The Finn crossed the line fifth after spending the second half of the race stuck behind Lando Norris, but said the engine mode change ban played a role in stunting his fightback.

    "It could be slightly part of the new regulations that everyone is just running constant mode in terms of trying to save and attack, so maybe there's less overtaking because of that," Bottas said.

    "But even in Monza, the DRS effect is quite a bit smaller because the wing is smaller, and you have less drag anyway.

    "For me the core issue was trying to get close to the cars, enough to try and overtake and get like a massive tow. But it definitely felt pretty impossible to overtake any car that I was battling."
     
  6. jgonzalesm6

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    Tombazis gave an specific example of how a Technical Directive can be introduced to protect the integrity of the sport but how hard it can then be to police it.

    What integrity? There's not an atom of integrity left in F1 thanks to the FIA.
     
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  8. Mitch Alsup

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    Excerpt:: “The problem with the current power units is that although the hardware may be completely legal, it is still possible to operate them illegally."

    It used to be that the above was impossible. If the Hardware was legal, so was the hardware in running conditions.
     
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  9. Bas

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    I love how lately each article about engines coming from senior personnel, they always say ''but these engines make our jobs so fun!"


    If it doesn't translate to fun on track, why should F1 insist on having it? Are they that stupid that they think F1 fans don't mind **** engines because the math nerds love it?
     

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