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Considering a Dedicated Sporting Clays Gun

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  1. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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    I've been shooting sporting clays with my trap gun, but I'm getting to the point I think I want to buy a dedicated sporting clays gun. I'm currently shooting with a Browning (Citori XT Trap Gold O/U), but I'm looking at a Beretta DT-10. Any thoughts on the DT-10s?

    Thanks,

    CW
     
  2. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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    No suggestions or thoughts on the DT-10? No worries. The dealer's dragging his feet, which I find annoying. I'm going to call the Beretta Gallery in NYC and speak with Ed Anderson and see what he thinks...

    CW
     
  3. 355dreamer

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    Check these out. Owned by a buddy of mine, and they are local (I think you're in the DC area).

    http://www.tferneyfirearms.com/

    Let me know if you are interested in any. I had a chance to see his entire lineup last weekend, and they are very impressive.
     
  4. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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    The Ferneys are nice looking guns...

    My first reaction is that I'm looking for a competition grade gun that I can put tens of thousands of shells through before servicing, but I'm going to have a closer look at the Ferneys. My intent is to get more serious on the clays range and compete this summer, if things go well.

    Thanks for the suggestion. I did consider Perazzis and Kreighoffs, but the numbers are just staggering. The DT-10 I'm looking at is sub-$5K, which is, IMO, a bargain. I'd love to jump up to an SO5 or SO6, but, again, the prices are astronomical...

    CW
     
  5. 8339

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    CW, Having shot registered Skeet for the past 28 years with a little NSCA Clays and ATA Trap as well, it all comes down to Krieghoff, Perazzi and or Beretta. I now shoot a an older K-32 Krieghoff, it happens to be Monte Carlo grade which is a work of art. However, even though the 32s are considered old they have pretty much the same features that K-80s do with the exception of the trigger group which can be upgraded to K-80 guts along as the serial number is above 3000. Yes the K-80s have a more hardened receiver, yet I have not seen a 32 ever wear out. The K-32s are half the cost of a new K-80 and either gun is designed to be shot of 100s of thousands of times reliably. The K-80 is the most popular shotgun in the competitive Skeet for a reason. Any 32 or K-80 barrel can be fitted easily, in fact I'm in the process of adding a 34 inch unsingle to shoot trap with. I shot a Beretta 687EELL for 15 years, it's great gun, very relaible and so on but the Krieghoff is like driving an older Benz, solid and crisp and you know you are shooting a top quality shotgun. Check out www.halkguns.com and guns international, you won't be disappointed.
     
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    I shot trap with my Rem 3200 many years ago. Also had a Citori when they first came out (trap grade) My gun club has closed, due to lead abatement. Miramar Gun Club was a great place, while it lasted. Orange Coast Gun Club met the same fate...
     
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    Tony Galazan who owns and operates CSMC I understand makes a great shotgun. Having one made will not be inexpensive. If you are thinking about it having one made you should ask yourself what kind of shotgun shooting are going to do. If you're going to shoot clay tagets there are much better guns to buy, Krieghoff, Perazzi, Beretta. If you think you are going to hunt upland game and want something bespoke and very special then CSMC would be great way to go. Just a thought however, from an investment standpoint you may want consider other options. Before you make your decision check out Griggin and Howe, Robin Hollow Fine Arms, Ivory Beads and Steve Barnett Fine Guns. Also read a great new book called Fine Shotguns by John Taylor is a must before making any decisions.
     
  10. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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    #10 CornersWell, Jan 21, 2011
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    8339,

    Thanks. Very good thoughts and suggestions. The A10 pricing seems VERY reasonable (actually, you can play around with it on CSMC's site and "configure" the gun and it will automatically price it for you...kind of an a la carte structure).

    My goal is sporting clays, sporting clays and sporting clays. Thus, the zeroing in on the DT-10 Trident. I can get a new one in the low $6K range. Or a used one in the mid $4K. I'm inclined to just go new. It's a "lifetime" gun, I think, and the difference is amortized over such a long period as to be meaningless.

    I did look at the Krieghoffs and Perazzis. They are ALL great guns, and I don't think I can go wrong with any of them. They're all exceptionally well-made, they hold their value and they shoot well. However, I don't have a dealer nearby that carries them all. So, I can't try them side-by-side. One aspect of the Berettas that I like is the Beretta Galleries. They have on-staff gunsmiths. They provide service. It's just re-assuring to know that there's someone who will be there to help, if I ever need it.

    I did look at going up to an S05, but I'll get 90% of the S05 at 20% of the cost with the DT-10. And, Ed Anderson at Beretta suggested that the S05, 6 and 10 had high maintenance costs. A lot higher than the DT-10. I assume, however, that he meant if there's ever a problem with them, the repairs are expensive (e.g. broken stock, etc.). But, I'll have a look at Amazon and see if I can't get a copy of Taylor's book. Thanks!

    CW
     
  11. 8339

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    CW, the Beretta DT-10 is a very reliable gun. I own a 687EELL that I've shot for 15 years, I just happen to like the feel of the Krieghoff much more. Dollar for dollar the Beretta is the most reliable and best shotgun for the money. I'm big on the K-32s Krieghoffs because they are equally as well made and you can find older highly engraved models for a 1/4 or less of the price of a engraved K-80. By the way check out Cabelas gun library as well for shotguns. I'm actually selling my 687 to fund an unsingle trap barrel for my 32 Monte Carlo. By the way, make sure you get a gun with a stock that fits. It took me 20 years to figure that out.
     
  12. Whisky

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    CW, for that amount of money I think I would make a day trip or even tie it into an overnighter to find someone that carries what you are looking at. (if possible)
     
  13. CornersWell

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    Not out of the question. At all. And, I'm talking with Joel Etchen, who has some nice new and used guns in stock, too. It's a lot easier for me to go have a look in person when I'm on the East Coast, but when I'm in the Rockies, everything's a LONG journey away. At the moment, I'm now dealing with no less than three lawsuits, my Mother's estate and prepping the cars for Targa66. So, this acquisition may get nudged back a bit. However, it's most likely going to be the DT-10. A new one...

    CW
     
  14. CornersWell

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    Yes, I will have to go and get it fitted. More $. CRAP! But, I can always shoot it a few times and see how I do before anything else.

    CW
     
  15. riccajus

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    I'm not a pro clay shooter but have a bit of experience, I have shot everything from perazzi to Beretta to kemen to kreighoff, all beautiful guns and you can feel the craftsmanship, however what do I shoot with week in week out? My first shotgun a browning citori. I have done a few mods like porting and adjustable stock and it fits me like a glove. Throughout my years of shooting clays, ducks, quails & rabbits the most important thing is that the gun fits you properly. All the best with your new gun
     
  16. james patterson

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    You certainly can't go wrong with a DT-10 but if you'd like to try before you buy a trip to a Major NSCA shoot might be an idea. Although its several months away from time for the big tournaments to get going you can shoot just about all the top tier guns at the Nationals, U.S. Open or a big state shoot.

    One other gun not mentioned that has a small but loyal following is Kolar. They are in the same kind of retail price range as a DT-10 and are a lovely gun.

    I'm a clays shooter, Angle Port 390, but have friends that shoot K-80s- Perazzi - Kolar - Beretta etc.. End of the day try to shoot it before you buy it and buy what you like to shoot.
     
  17. CornersWell

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    Ok, all, FINALLY getting around to pulling the trigger. I will be buying three new DT10s (a small group buy). I'm calling Ed Anderson at the NY Beretta Gallery, Joel Etchen and Pacific Sporting Arms on Monday for pricing. Am I missing any major dealers?

    Thanks,

    CW
     
  18. CornersWell

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    New DT10s in hand. Beautiful gun. Can't wait to get up on the range this weekend!

    CW
     
  19. 8339

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    CW, you won't be dis-appointed. Were you able to find stock that fits?
     
  20. CornersWell

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    I told Ed at Beretta that I wanted to shoot it a few times before fitting it. It seems pretty good, but it's got a much bigger kick than my Citori. I'm shooting the Winchester Super Sport 1 1/8 loads. No recoil on the XT Trap (has a Gracoil). So, I may have to have it cut down a bit as it comes up into the crook of my shoulder. Some good bruising tonight. Shot 100 yesterday and 100 today. They've changed the course, also, so with the new gun, I was happy to break 61. This is just the second time I'm out this season, too. So, I feel I did alright. Plenty to improve upon, though.

    Thanks,

    CW
     
  21. 8339

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    CW, weigh the gun on a postal scale. My Krieghoff weighs 10.5 pounds and I'm going to add a 1/2 pound to front for more balance. Where I'm going with this, is more weight less recoil, try a recoil reducer in the stock. Since I shoot mainly NSSA Skeet, I like a heavy gun for an easy smooth swing. Recoil isn't an issue, however after doubles and then shooting the 12ga the first thing next morning, I'm happy the gun doesn't beat me up. If you go to larger Sporting Clays Event you may find the Country Gentleman, he's a great gun fitter and worth the price.
    Good Luck
     
  22. CornersWell

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    Many thanks. Good advice.

    Going up on the range tomorrow again. We'll see how everything feels.

    CW
     
  23. CornersWell

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    Nudging up the scores. 75/100 a few days ago.

    Hoping to break 80 in the next week or two. The problem I'm currently having is that a kill a few stations (9/10, 8/8, 8/10, 7/8) and then tank a few (3/8, 4/8). I'm just not as consistent as I want to be, yet.

    CW
     
  24. 8339

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    New gun, new stock, new feel. It has always taken me a season to really get comfortable with a new shotgun. Just how you mount the gun should be natural and consistent. This takes time and a lot of shooting. Do yourself a favor, google shotgun fit, it will explain a lot as to what you should be seeing when mounting the gun. Anytime I take my competition gun out of the safe I always bring it up as an exercise to make sure before I mount it properly when I get to range. You can even practice that, which I will at times, just so it feels correct everytime. The last thing you want to think about just before pulling the trigger is did I mount the gun correctly. You should have one thing on your mind and in your sight, the target! Continued success with your DT-10.
     
  25. TRScotty

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    That's great!!

    I bought a Beretta 687 EELL recently and am very pleased at the increase in my scores.
    Get your barrels Angle-Ported and that will help a lot with the "jump".

    Mine have been ported, back-bored and had the forcing-cones lengthened.
    I just won my class at a registered Skeet Shoot this month!!

    Looking to have more success at some NSCA events as well.

    Post some pics when you can.
     

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