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  1. FarmerDave

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    This **** is rediculous.

    What do you do when a co-worker shows up at your desk with that multicolored 25 column ledger?

    A couple weeks ago, our receptionist, who's kids are like 3 and 5, asks me if I want to buy any cookie dough. Cookie Dough? (wtf?) Okay, let me see the form.

    TWELVE BUCKS?

    Now, this girl does a lot of stuff for me. She's basically an administrative assistant, which is something I am only just now getting used to having. It crossed my mind to tell her no. Luckily, I came to my senses and realized that would be a very bad move, from an office politics standpoint.

    So I signed on the line which is dotted. I asked her if she needed the money now or later, because I hardly ever carry cash. She said later was okay.

    Well, later came Friday afternoon, without prior warning. They can't take a check, it has to be cash. I had to leave the office and go find an ATM. So I end up paying a service charge to pull out money to pay for something I don't want and need even less. If someone had walked up to me on the street with a gun, I wouldn't have gone to the ATM to get them cash. This is worse than armed robbery.

    To anyone who has ever carried that order form around your office: It was your descision to procreate, and your choice to enroll the twerps in whatever school or activity it is that you are trying to raise funds for. I shouldn't have to pay for it.
     
  2. scott61

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    Boy that seems a little harsh. For years I bought whatever was being sold to help whatever fundraiser it was for. When the time came that I had a kid that needed to this I had no guilt sending her out for some payback. I guess in the old days we could just send them out door to door to sell, but not anymore. You make it sound like my 6 year old selling girl scout cookies is the equivalent of a cold caller from some boiler room
     
  3. jimpo1

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    I've made it pretty clear to the people in my office to NOT bring me their fund raisers. My reason is simple, if I do it for you, I have to do it for everybody on the floor. There are 150+ people there, you do the math. In return, I don't bring my kids stuff. The ONLY thing I let my kids sell is the popcorn for Boy Scouts. And I only let them go to houses of people who's kids I've bought from.

    You can't imagine how many girl scout cookies I have at my house right now.
     
  4. PeterS

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    Not accepting a check is BS! Sounds like she needed the cash and she would cover it later. You should update your employee handbook to bounce situations like this out of the office.
     
  5. FarmerDave

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    Scott, it certainly wasn't a personal attack on you or your kiddo... that's why I started a new thread in Off Topic. It was an indictment of the practice of putting your coworkers/employees/bosses in that extremely uncomfortable position.

    So you know where I'm coming from: I'm a single guy, and I'm in the minority amongst my friends because I didn't knock anybody up in highschool or college. Now, I enjoy being around the kids, but I'm grateful I don't have any yet, because I am in no position to raise one.

    As for the similarities between the girl scouts employing boiler room tactics... you said it, not me. :)
     
  6. FarmerDave

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    We have a very small office, It's my boss (the boss), myself (sales), a CSR and a receptionist. Unfortunately, when you are in such an small environment, trying to solve a problem like this with an employee manual would be as effective as using a shotgun for a gardening tool.
     
  7. scott61

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    Your right on that. My wife helps in my daughters troop and could not believe the sales pitch by the rep from the Girl Scouts about selling. They set sales goals and then tell troops anyone not meeting quota will not get a badge. Then found out about another local troop that was going to have a party at Build a Bear, But only for the kids who met sales goal. And to Jim, I guess it could become a pain in a large office but I only have 8 people in the office part of my company and we all have kids, so it pretty much evens out.
     
  8. GrigioGuy

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    No, it's not the 6 year old. It's the bloody parents who insist on strongarming the coworkers. Frankly, the implication is always "buy my kid's stuff, or things get nasty around here."

    Hell, we had turf wars at workplace because people were selling girl scout cookies outside of "their" department.

    I'll buy cookies from the girls themselves, outside Home Depot or whatever, but don't tell me that hauling their signup sheet up to work teaches them salesmanship or responsibility.
     
  9. FarmerDave

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    Scott, in your case, I guess if everybody in the office has kids, then it's a different matter. But rarely does 100% of the office have kids.

    Oh, and just to muddy the waters a little bit :

    Jim, next time the boys are selling popcorn, let me know... I'm an eagle scout :)
     
  10. dm_n_stuff

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    Dave.

    Never too soon to try and get the rules outlined for all.

    The office may only be four people, but any office with more than one person is gonna have some conflict, and should have a small employee handbook outlining the do's and don'ts of the place.

    We have a five person office, but we have a handbook. (I also have 30 manufacturing employees, they use the book too.)

    Simple stuff like this.

    1. No weapons in the workplace.
    2. No sexual harassment
    3. Don't be late for work or you're fired.
    4. Don't try to sell your kids fundraising **** at the office, 'cause it makes your co-workers uncomfortable, and it's just plain annoying.
    5. Never use the office phones for personal calls.
    6. TURN OFF YOUR FRIGGIN' CELL PHONE WHEN YOU GET TO THE OFFICE.
    7. Don't park in the boss's parking space.

    That should just about cover it for you and your co-workers.

    DM

    (Note, I'm not a lawyer, you might want to get these rules reviewed by one before posting them in the workplace.) :)
     
  11. scott61

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    I guess different set of rules for every work place. My office it totally wild and sometimes seems out of control, but when things need to get done I can count on every person to do a great job. Seems rule's #1-6 would not last a week at my office, But no one would dare break #7
     
  12. SRT Mike

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    I hate when people do this. I used to do contract work for the feds and I worked in an office with about 2,000 people. I floated around 3 different departments each with 200+ people and in EVERY one around the same time of the year there were emails soliciting people to ante up for cookies, people coming to your desk, forms left in the break room, money packets circulating asking to donate, etc, etc. The part that bugged me was it added up to an easy $100 if you did it all, which for many was a decent chunk of coin. And as a consultant, you had to schmooze a bit and often didnt have a choice.

    But the real kicker was that it's the KIDS who are supposed to be doing this stuff. They aren't supposed to just pass it off to their parents. If my kids came home and said they needed to raise money and could I take this to work, I'd tell them to get out in the neighborhood and start knocking on doors.
     
  13. FarmerDave

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    Exactly.

    And notice in my original post - the kids are 3 and 5! The school knows it's the parents who will be doing the selling!

    And before anyone says "oh, its not safe to send my baby to the neighbor's houses" to solicit their worthless garbage, get your ass off the couch and go with them. Stand at the curb while they go knock on the door.
     
  14. MAHOOL

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    I don't tend to be forced into buying stuff from people for fundraising or dontaions, but if you think about it most of the money going to these organizations are spent on collecting more money........Hell if I am going to pay $2 for a candy bar that tastes like crap.......the most worth while organization to donate to, is the American Red Cross, they use like 91% or so of the money they receive for actually charty........plus I donate blood, more worthy and guarantees to help save lives.....
     
  15. shiggins

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    I get a lot of that in my office. There are a bunch of young mothers and fathers running around.
    I have bought wrapping paper, muffin mix, cookie dough, chocolate, sponsored walk-athons, skip-athons, 30 hour famines...the list goes on. I don't mind for the most part. The cookied dough is delicious with a spoon as I am far to lazy to make cookies. The muffiin mix and wrapping paper I just give to my folks. Muffin mix doesn't taste good raw and I get the mall to wrap gifts. The charity events are fine with me, I give 20 bucks and am done with it. I have a bunch of thankyou cards from the kids, so at least it is appreciated.
     
  16. dm_n_stuff

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    Actually, sanity now reigns at my kids' school.

    They send you a notice when your child first enters High School, Or Middle School. It tells you how much money you have to "donate" towards graduation, party, prom, etc., and offers financial assistance to anyone who can not afford it.

    It works out to like $120 per student, per year in H.S., but frankly, I was spending more than that on fund raising junk that only probably paid 20 cents on the dollar to the school.

    DM
     
  17. coolestkidever

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    At least the damn Alumni's dont call you every month asking if you want to donate to the school that you send your son to for $12,600 a year.
     
  18. FarmerDave

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    You think it's bad now, wait till the school starts hitting YOU up for money in a few years ;)
     
  19. dm_n_stuff

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    Patrick.

    True enough.

    But wait 'till college, when the school you're only paying $40K+ a year to comes calling for more money every year in the form of a variety of fund raisers. Now multiply that times four years, times four kids...

    That's where I am right now.

    BTW, they ain't lookin' for fifty bucks, either. :)

    DM
     
  20. Noelani

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    The women I used to work with in a nursing home used to bring in their kids' fundraising papers, but instead of going around to individuals and putting on the pressure, everyone just left their materials on the table in the breakroom and picked them up after a week or two. It was rare for more than one person to have a break at the same time, so we could peruse at our leisure.
     
  21. jimpo1

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    The key here is WHO is doing the selling. I'll usually buy from the kids because they're trying, but I won't buy from the adult.
     
  22. jsa330

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    When I worked at a larger arch. firm it was no problem--against office policy. In business for myself, no problem, then in the last few years working for a very good friend I didn't mind an occasional purchase from his sons, and donated to a couple of his church projects as well. The stuff they sold me was actually useful, too.

    What really bugged me was in my very early working years when I worked for a very large homebuilding company and then a large developer. They would herd all the hapless sheep into a projection room and show some idiotic film, go thru the schtick, and then inform us that we had the "choice" of having our checks garnished for the United Way. In 1974, that hurt with the few bucks an hour I was making.

    What irks me now is this relative whose daughters call on me to donate for school and church stuff, I do it, then get no thank-you of any kind for that or for any Christmas or birthday presents (I quit giving them those years ago). At least the oldest did have it in her to send us a thank-you for the relatively substantial graduation present we gave her.
     
  23. FarmerDave

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    Scott - I felt exactly the same way when working for PricewaterhouseCoopers, the big 4 accounting firm (of course, when I worked for C&L, it was the big 8, and when we merged with PW it became the big 6 :) )

    The partners REALLY pushed for the check garnishing for United Way. Like you, I wasn't making that much money (glorified mailroom clerk), but I was doing alot of volunteer work with the Boy Scouts as an adult leader. The United Way had just announced they were pulling their funding from the Scouts over not allowing homosexual leaders. I was polite about declining to donate until my direct supervisor pulled me aside and said I should really reconsider. He thought I was being cheap, but when I explained to him exactly why I refused to give money to the UW, he stopped bothering me.
     
  24. Teenferrarifan

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    Dave this is very true! Imagine being a freshman in college paying a cool $36k a year for and they call you asking for money. The minimum my mom said was like $500. It is nuts.
     
  25. Poweredbyme91

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    Personally, ANY situation where I feel forced to buy ANYTHING is an UNCOMFORTABLE situation not just with fundraisers; there is nothing more uncomfortable and annoying than walking around the mall and getting cell phone plans shoved in my face or having to buy warranty that I dont need from a persistent salesman.
     

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