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Clarkson reviews the Spider

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  1. Traveller

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    Unfortunately no link to post yet but Clarkson has tested the Spider for this weekend's Sunday Times. A few extracts:

    As I write now there are shivers-and I am not kidding-running up and down my spine as I recall the way it felt on the roads near my home. The lightness. The savagery. The noise. The beauty. The trees rushing by, sheltering me from 93m mikes of sky. Then you have the gearbox that changes down not in a few milliseconds but instantly. Bang. Stand on the brakes-bang again. And again. Turn. And POWEEEERRRRR. A modern Ferrari feels like no other car on the road. It feels miles better. And this one? Oh, this is the best of the lot.

    Sure you can find rivals that are more technical and even a tiny bit faster. The Mclaren is one and the Bentley Continental Supersports another. But neither has anything like the lust for life you find in a 458. They are tools.

    I grew out of super cars many years ago. I vowed after the GT40 that I'd never buy
    another. And I will stand by that. But if I were to waiver, this would be the one. As a car, it
    would get two stars for being silly and too expensive (£263k as configured). But as a thing.
    As a celebration of man's ability to be happy. It's in a seven star class of one.

    Verdict: 5 stars out of 5. I'd give it seven if I could.


    The wait just became harder.
     
  2. mhh

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    Ferrari 458 Spider: Oh, Miss Ennis, let’s sprint to seventh heaven

    When you buy a Nissan Micra or a Volkswagen Golf or a Ford Focus, you expect it to be perfect. The mainstream car makers know this, which is why, before a car is put on sale, it is rigorously tested to make sure the starter motor works when it’s below freezing and the air-conditioning can cope even if you drive to the surface of the sun. Every little detail is thought about. Every component tested, and then tested again. And then changed. And then tested again.

    However, in the world of very expensive supercars, things have always been rather different. Lamborghini put the Miura on sale knowing full well that if it were driven above 80mph, it would take off. Then it came up with the Countach, a car with a cockpit so small it could only be driven by either an ant or a foetus. Neither of which would have the strength to move the gearlever, which is seemingly set in concrete, or the steering wheel, which was mostly a piece of decoration. Not that it mattered, anyway, because most days the Countach would not start.

    As time went by, the makers of supercars started to think more seriously about longevity and convenience. But even in the 1990s they were still not really there. The Ferrari 355 GTS I once owned was plagued with seatbelts that strummed like guitar strings if you had the roof off, an engine that had to be taken out of the car to be serviced and a two-stage throttle that made only two speeds available: 2mph and 175mph.

    Later I bought a Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder. This was developed under the watchful gaze of people in sensible shoes from Audi. It would, I figured, be as easy to live with as a Toyota Corolla.

    It wasn’t. The cupholder was a £600 option and the company simply hadn’t thought about the positioning of the pedals in right-hand-drive cars. Which meant that if you bought a manual — as I did — there was nowhere to put your left foot. You had to amputate it.

    The problem is this. If you are a small-volume car maker, you simply don’t have the funds to design a feature and then redesign it if it doesn’t work. So you end up hoping that customers will be so consumed by the speed and the beauty, they won’t notice that the door doesn’t shut properly and that there is a hippopotamus in the passenger seat.

    Happily, today most supercar makers are owned by large-volume manufacturers, which means they have the funds to address little foibles before the machine goes on sale.

    Well, that’s what you’d think. But after a couple of days with the new Ferrari 458 Spider you realise that things haven’t really changed at all.

    If the wipers are on full speed they become so hysterical that they bash into the window frame on every sweep. The radio is incapable of finding a signal. When there’s no passenger, the unused seatbelt buckle rattles against the back of the seat, and to fill up, you need to hold the nozzle of the pump upside down, or no fuel will be delivered at all.

    There’s more. If you want to change radio stations — and you will, because whatever you’re listening to is mostly hiss — you need to go into the menu, twiddle a knob, push another button, select the station and then repeat the process to get back to the sat nav screen.

    It gets worse. Because there are no stalks to operate the wipers and indicators, all the main controls — and the starter button, and the horn, and the six-way traction control, and the suspension control, and the radio controls — are on the wheel. My daughter was amazed by this. She said driving the car was like playing Bop It.

    We’re told by Ferrari that you get used to this after a while, and I don’t doubt that’s true. In the same way that you can get used to having arthritis.

    Make no mistake. The 458 Spider is the most usable and modern of all the supercars. But it’s still plagued by the sort of fault that would not be acceptable in a Nissan hatchback.

    And it’s not cheap. The base car is £198,936, but if you want the steering wheel stitched in cotton the colours of the Italian flag — well, that’s an extra £720. That’s £720 for some cotton. You want the wheels painted gold? That’s £1,238. A premium hi-fi system is £3,411. Titanium wheel bolts are £1,919. Red brake callipers? They’re £880. Racing seats? They’re £4,961. The end result is that the car I tested would actually cost you £262,266. And that’s what an economist would call “a lot”. But it’s worth every single penny. Because this car is simply sublime.

    And at this point some of you may accuse me of inconsistency because just recently I said that the new Porsche 911 Carrera S cabriolet does not work as a convertible because the strengthening beams and the structural compromises ruin what was designed to be a pure sports car. Taking the roof off a car such as this is like adding HP Sauce to a quail’s egg. It adds to the tang but you lose the delicacy, and with a 911 delicacy is everything.

    With a Ferrari, things are different. A 458 is not a purebred sports car. Oh God, it drives like one, but it’s also a singer and a model and an athlete. It’s a heptathlete with the lungs of Pavarotti and the face of an angel. So you can buy the convertible version because driving this car with the top down adds to the theatre and the pantomime. Who cares that you’re going 0.1mph slower? You’re getting a tan.

    Made from aluminium, the foldaway top weighs less than the normal roof on the standard car. It even weighs less than it would had it been fashioned from canvas. And it folds away, electrically, in 14 seconds. You can even drive with the roof up and the back window lowered so you can hear the V8 soundtrack when it’s raining. I did that a lot.

    Is there a drawback to the new convertible? Well, yes. If you lower the roof at the lights, everyone within 150 yards will tell you that you are a tosser. Plus, in extreme conditions it will be less rewarding than the hard top, and the windscreen is now arched, which looks a bit odd. But what the Lord taketh away at the front, the Lord handeth back at the rear. From behind, it looks like the old Ferrari 250 LM. From behind, it’s one of the best-looking cars I’ve ever seen. It is also extremely comfortable.

    As I write now, there are shivers — and I’m not kidding — running up and down my spine as I recall the way it felt on roads near my home. The lightness. The savagery. The noise. The beauty. The trees rushing by, sheltering me from 93m miles of sky. Then you have the gearbox that changes down not in a few milliseconds but instantly. Bang. Stand on the brakes — bang again. And again. Turn. And POWEEEERRRR. A modern Ferrari feels like no other car on the road. It feels miles better. And this one? Oh, this is the best of the lot.

    Sure, you can find rivals that are more technical and even a tiny bit faster. The McLaren MP4-12C (which will soon be available as a convertible, too) is one, and the Bentley Continental Supersports is another. But neither has anything like the lust for life that you find in a 458. They are tools.

    I grew out of supercars many years ago. I vowed after the Ford GT that I’d never buy another. And I will stand by that. But if I were to waver, this would be the one. As a car, it would get two stars, for being silly and too expensive. But as a thing. As a celebration of man’s ability to be happy. It’s in a seven-star class of one.
     
  3. TheMayor

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    My problem with Clarkson is that as soon as the replacement for this car comes out, he'll poo-poo the old one with all kinds of complaints and say the new one is the greatest thing ever.

    This is not a review. It's an essay.
     
  4. TopspeedPT

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    Indeed. He completly bashed the F430 versus the 458 last time.

    Anyway...I don't take him serious.
     
  5. Mugatu

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    Haha... so true.
     
  6. crinoid

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    I get a kick out of people who take him too seriously the way I do from people who would take Rush Limbaugh seriously. They are paid entertainers. I do respect Clarkson though.
     
  7. Noblesse Oblige

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    Clarkson is a showman making a living, not a technically oriented serious automotive journalist. Having said that, his emotive ramblings can be charming and entertaining, as befitting a showman.
     
  8. Traveller

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    Well he is viewed somewhat differently over here and whilst clearly a showman and controversial, his reviews carry huge weight with the buying public as like him or loathe him his somewhat eclectic opinions normally get to the truth about a car.
     
  9. Traveller

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    Isn't that the idea with a new model? If not the automotive future looks pretty bleak.
     
  10. Noblesse Oblige

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    I agree that "his somewhat eclectic opinions normally get to the truth about a car." You just have to apply a filter to his eccentric dramatics.
     
  11. not4one

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    You can't take him seriously but he is damned entertaining.

    When you read that part about a 911 being a "pure" sports car, but a 911 cab isn't. And, a 458 is not "purebred"...but somehow it's ok for our beloved 458s not to be purebred, but not ok for a 911 cab not to be "pure". Well, you can only smile and say "what the hell is he talking about...the man is babbling". He's kind of like a drunk uncle, the arguments for or against rarely reconcile, but they're always fun to listen to.

    To me, he's like watching (or reading) a spoof of a real car review. I'm convinced that one day he'll remove that rubbery disguise and reveal that he's really John Cleese. At which point, I for one will say "bravo".
     
  12. TheMayor

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    No, not really. If you look at his review of past F cars, he says they are lousy cars with wheels made of wood, awful, ugly, vulgar, etc.

    It's not that the new car is a better performer than the new car. That would be a credible claim. But, to say how wonderful a car is and then 3 years later rag on how bad it really was destroys his credibility.

    You can't have it both ways.
     
  13. Traveller

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    I think perhaps you can. When a journalist reviews a car he can only do it against the competition and the standards that the then current technology enables and indeed he is aware of being possible at the time. When he drove the 355, he loved it, and at the time it was a very good car against what was considered possible then, but today against a 458 it is fairly rubbish in performance terms as you would expebyte rough the passage of time.

    Notwithstanding that I am not sure when he has really rubbished cars that he did formerly enthuse about?

    In the industry he is known as an 'opinion former' and whilst you might get a more technical report from the likes of Autocar, in a strange way he seems to get a little more under the skin.
     
  14. Noblesse Oblige

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    THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT!
     
  15. TheMayor

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgKjp1pq7iI[/ame]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=P8YZzGaprtA&NR=1

    It's not just Ferrari. He says the same thing about every replacement car. The last review was amazing yet now it's garbage.

    He's a clever linguist. I find his reviews interesting and fun. What I don't pay much attention to is whether he likes it or not or what he finds good or bad. It's just there to impress the audience.
     
  16. TheMayor

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    Precisely.
     
  17. Traveller

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    Whilst I accept that he is keen to impress the audience, I disagree that that is all he does. Pretty much every review whilst less technical that specialist magazines and therefore more light hearted, nevertheless manages to get to the point and condenses it into a simple statement. Let's face it what he says about all those older Fcars is pretty accurate albeit delivered in a less technical and more comical format. That is simply why the TV show is such a success, it is entertainment but with a serious conclusion.
     
  18. TheMayor

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    Don't get me wrong. I enjoy listening to him. I just don't consider what he does "a review". It's like going to a Spiderman movie and asking why Spiderman doesn't stop a recent rash of bank robberies.

    The reason is: there is no Spiderman. It's just made up fun.

    But, I still enjoy Spiderman movies. :)
     
  19. jacinto jardine

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    Clarkson's style is flamboyant like a Roberto Cavalli hot pants suit from the Eighties.
    I much prefer the intelligent Chris Harris when he reviewed the 458
     
  20. Rcktrod

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    +1. I'm afraid that I agree with you. Isn't it a fact that the 458 was and is much better than the 430? Will any of us here be surprised when the 458 replacement is better than the vaulted 458? Of course not. I saw his review of the 458 while waiting for a build slot for mine and it made me want the car all the more. Showman or not, I think he's spot on many times with his reviews.
     
  21. TheMayor

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    Its fine to say the new car is better than the old.

    But, it's not fine to say the old car was something from heaven and then trash it when the next car comes out.

    You lose all credibility. Which is it? A great car or a piece of garbage?

    A great car is still a great car years later. The F430 is still a great car even though the 458 is a better car.
     
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  23. Rcktrod

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    If he's not doing a comparison of the newer model to the older one i.e.. the new 458 vs the older 430, and assuming he praised the older model previously then of course this is hypocritical.
     
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  25. jacinto jardine

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    Totally agree!

    When JC reviewed the 430 he showered it with all the superlatives he could muster, then demoted it on the 458 comparison.

    But I'm not complaining as I showed this piece to my wife at least a dozen times when contemplating the upgrade from the 430 spider:)
     

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