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Changing suspension bushings cost labour

Discussion in '308/328' started by Raceunivers, Sep 2, 2013.

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  1. Raceunivers

    Raceunivers Rookie

    Dec 11, 2008
    21
    Hi,

    Normally I do my own servicing on my Ferrari 308, but this time work came in the way. I had a garage changing all my bushings on the suspension and wheelbearings (plus painting the A-arms) on my 1978 GTS. The garage estimated 12-14 houres witch I think was too low.

    The car is after a week still in there garage and about to be finished today. How many houres is it fair to pay? Normally I would pay the estimate plus 20% max, but as I work on cars myself I really do want to be fair. Have someone done the job and estimated the time? I will pay them extra, but not silly money. Please advice.

    Best regards,
    Christer
     
  2. Raceunivers

    Raceunivers Rookie

    Dec 11, 2008
    21
    I would be really grateful for an answer. Just as an estimate. Worst case scenario:

    I know they have NOT worked full time on it a whole week. But 7 houres on each corner must be fair. That equals to 4 days +28 houres (estimate was 12-14). That is double the time. As said, I am fair but that is about how far I will stretch. When you run a garage you must be able to do a estimate. I am self employed as a designer and have to learn of my faults and can not invoice the customer if I underestimated the job.
     
  3. Renato

    Renato Formula Junior

    Apr 14, 2013
    553
    New York
    I'm curious about this as well. I have heard 2 ball park estimates for around $5k...
     
  4. howl

    howl Formula Junior

    Apr 10, 2011
    505
    Chicago/Boca
    Full Name:
    Tom
    I am not home right now but 2 years ago I had all bushings replaced and shock rebuilt. Recollection is the job was about 12 hours for all corners. Will check bill in next 24 hours for you. Do not know if there are material differences between an '89 328 and you car.
     
  5. Raceunivers

    Raceunivers Rookie

    Dec 11, 2008
    21
    I would maybe say in labour:

    12 hours for bushings
    4 hours for wheel bearings
    2 hours cleaning and painting A-arms. those where in very good shape without any dirt.
    16 hours should be right? All parts are supplied by me.

    If I say 18 hours , I am generous?
     
  6. andyww

    andyww F1 Rookie

    Feb 7, 2011
    2,775
    London
    Late 328 should be more time in theory as there are 16 rubber bushes on the rear instead of 8.
     
  7. timk1230

    timk1230 Rookie

    Jul 6, 2009
    43
    Boca Raton Florida
    I am in the process of a complete suspension rebuild now. Working on it very slowly (months). I would estimate approximately 30 (give or take a few) hours to remove all the control arms from the car, press out the old bushings, properly clean and paint the control arms, press in the new bushings & grind tac weld into place, reassemble on the car and then align the front and rear suspension. Remember "while your in there" its amazing how much stuff is worn if its all original. Ball Joints, Steering rack, shocks etc... I'm sure when you get the car back you will be happy you had the work done even if it cost an arm and a leg!!
     
  8. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
    Consultant

    Nov 29, 2001
    13,384
    San Carlos, CA
    Full Name:
    Mitchell Le
    You pay a professional because you expect him to have all the knowledge and the right tools which make the job easier and faster than a shade tree mechanic.

    My estimate for someone who has done this before is:

    30 minutes to get the control arms out from each corner
    30 minutes to grind / press out the bushings for each corner
    30 minutes for sandblasting and cleaning
    30 minutes for painting several coats
    30 minutes each corner for putting them back in

    That is 2.5 hours per corner, 10 hours for all bushings.

    1 hour each bearing.
    1 hour for misc shrouds, liners.

    So, 14 hours +/- 2 hours is right on the money for this job.
     
  9. Raceunivers

    Raceunivers Rookie

    Dec 11, 2008
    21
    Thanks for all the feedback, I will pick up the car tomorrow and know the verdict. The guys passionate about old classic cars, so I am expecting it will be fine. But either way it should be correct for both the garage and the customer, in that way both finish the deal happy.
     
  10. howl

    howl Formula Junior

    Apr 10, 2011
    505
    Chicago/Boca
    Full Name:
    Tom
    Here is a copy of the description of the work done on my '89 328. Someone mentioned it should take longer than your 308 due to more bushings. The total charge was 18 hours. The shop I use has been very reasonable relative to the dealer I used to use so I am confident this is fair. The charge for alignment etc. is elsewhere on the bill and charged separately. It was 18 hours for

    "Perform Complete tear down of front suspension . Remove Control Arms and Shocks Swaybar links , Calipers and sensors . Mark all alignment shims for installation in original locations . Remove Rear Shocks , Disassemble Rear control arms for inspection and clean and lube all pivot points and hardware at both outer knuckle and at chassis side . Remove rear swaybar mounts for service , Found right rear chassis side bent to the point of mounting stud preventing nut/bracket removal . Straighten welded in stud and bent bushing cap . Lube and re-install rear swaybar bushings and end links . Grind welds from a-arm bushings prior to replacement , Re-Tack weld new bushings in place once installed . Clean/Wash all shock hardware (spring seats etc) prior to assembly . Once all suspension was installed lower car to ride height and torque all mounting bolts . Install wheels and wheel houses and torque wheels to 74 ft. lbs. Note : tire pressures are set at 45 psi for winter and add Sta-Bil fuel system treatment . Flush brake system again due to caliper removal .
    Enclosed Transport back to house"

    Shocks were also sent out and rebuilt.

    Hope this helps.
     
  11. Raceunivers

    Raceunivers Rookie

    Dec 11, 2008
    21
    The mechanic had worked 40 hours with it. But was fair, we agreed on 25 hours. The work was excellent. He even had welded the swaybar and fixed rattling exhaust, isolated the fuel pump, changed some fuel hoses, changed all bolts to brand new ones. So all in all expensive but worth it. My birthday is tomorrow, so this is my present for myself. Thanks for all the innput! You are all a big help!
     

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