360 Challenge Stradale is the modern F40.

Could have put it back to stock
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Why would we deny the Stradale a place in that history? What is the point of excluding it? It has been heralded as a unicorn by leagues of enthusiasts for over a decade, for a reason. There is no argument there.

 

Because it is a modified version of a regular production model Ferrari, and not a bespoke model, just like the Scuderia/16M, 599 GTO, F12 TDF, and 812 Competizione.

 

Have you driven one?


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Was a complete F-up, dealer couldn’t resolve either. Not worth the hassle when there are so many other great cars to try.

 

Exactly, as you yourself just pointed out, pretty much every Ferrari built after the F40 is considered the spiritual successor of the F40.

Now let us remember the thread title: Challenge Stradale is THE modern F40.

And now tell me WHY should the CS in particular be celebrated as THE spiritual successor to the F40? Unicorn or not; there are enough people who see this very model as a not really spiritual event when it comes to engine performance. To be honest, in terms of engine performance, pretty much every other Ferrari built after the F40 inspires me more than the CS.

But true, there are enthusiasts who don't really care about engine performance in a supercar. For those people, engine performance is completely overrated. Ha ha!
So now bring your wonderful stories of what all is so much more important in a sports car than engine power...
And please convinces me that an F40 would have made it to icon status even with a a puny 400ps engine!

Isn't that why an F50 has a hard time, because it couldn't clearly outperform the F40 in terms of engine performance? Despite his wonderful 519ps V12 masterpiece?

Please come back down to earth again.

 

Okay, here you go. Engine performance is all you care about? Well here are 3.1 seconds a lap (Stradale faster than the F40) that allow me not to have to come back down to earth again.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/ferrari-heres-full-list-fastest-fiorano-lap-times

And to think that you go on-and-on about performance...

 

How much of that comes down to wheels and tires and brakes? Mind you, this question is coming from a hardcore CS guy!

 

Really? Are you kidding? You're referencing the Fiorano lap times?
Because then I see another 22 cars that also undercut the F40, 19 of which are significantly faster than your oh-so-beloved CS. From that point of view, the CS is definitely a lame duck in the Ferrari line of ancestors.

 

Well... The brakes are very similar on both cars, as in some of the parts are the same. Its just stock parts on both. And its not like the Stradale got slicks & the F40 got M&S rated tires. Whatever was bolted on. Ferrari did not use weak tires, ever.

Man, you need to check your tone. This is a forum, not some argument. You have complained about performance, I brought facts to the table, you went "whaaa." Relax.

 

I could care less about bench racing. Drive one.

 

Please stop playing the teacher and don't panic, I'm completely relaxed. But your list of Fiorano lap times is such a shot in the dark...

 

I drove one, ended with a Scud.
And my dream car is still the F40, followed by the F50. But unfortunately I can't afford these icons.

 

Nothing wrong with that.

I'll warn you. I've ridden in a F50. It was not comfortable. It is more of a track car than a street one.

 

I have never had the opportunity to drive an F50, I envy you. But I think, based on feedback from people who drive or own this car, it must be also a very extreme driving experience!
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I didn't drive one. I was just a passenger. It was not a comfortable experience.

 

Ah ok. What do you think, does this speak for or against the F50?

 

I'm not sure a F50 makes a good sports car for the street. It is a thinly disguised race car. That's my impression.

 

So then any remapped 360 Modena is a modern F40?


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I'm aware of all of the other differences b/w an F1 Modena and a CS and I don't think there's much debate that the map is the single greatest determinant of the performance delta between the two vehicles. I suppose it comes down to why an individual wants a particular car; e.g., unquestionably there's cache with the CS; no one should deny that. But in terms of driving experience, ask yourself this: Which car would most of the people in FChat rather own: A factory CS or 360trev's car? (Or, for that matter, a CS vs. a 360 Challenge / a 360 GT / GTC / N-GT?) I'd personally rather start w/ a 360 Challenge and do the bare minimum to make it not illegal to drive on the street. But I'd take any of those over the CS. Whereas the F40 is the F40. I think it was somewhere above that someone called the CS a "warmed over" 360. I think that's accurate. Arguably, the same could be said of the 288, but I'm so personally biased towards the 288, I can't be objective about it.

 

i have owned both since 2009, 100% agree. the CS is the poor mans F40. same visceral emotion.

 

F40 feels way faster than CS, both feel tossable like go karts...
CS ceramic brakes are better than 40 but the 40 brakes do their job.

 

Three pages and no one has mentioned that the true successor of the F40 is the Carrera GT! I am truly amazed