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  1. trmather

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    #1 trmather, Jan 29, 2022
    Trying to update the spreadsheet I have of each car but finding it quite hard to pinpoint known whereabouts of each car. Seemingly more so with Ferrari than with the other teams so presumably the owners are keeping them private, or at least, the details of them.

    Can anyone help shed some light on where they are? Obviously the F1 Clienti cars are helpful by having the chassis number on the nose but lots of the cars from this era are privately ran so they don't.

    1989

    639 105 - Ferrari owned, often on display at the museum, currently so.
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    639 106 - I think Holger Lange owned? He's the one normally driving it. Seen here at the most recent GFOS Image Unavailable, Please Login

    640 107 - Written off in Berger's firey crash at Imola in 1989.
    640 108 -
    640 109 -
    640 110 - Also seemingly Holger Lange owned, seen here at GFOS in 2019, sold by Art and Revs a few years ago
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    640 111 - Malcolm Ross owned in America
    640 112 - Driven by Jean Alesi at Suzuka in 2018, it's based in Japan

    640 112bis -
    640 113 - Seen at the racing days at Valencia in 2020 - Clienti car
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    There used to be one in Nigel Mansell's museum, now closed.
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    Presumably one of his own race chassis?

    There's one in the Prince Rainier museum in Monaco, might be the same car as above given the faded Marlboro stickers? Not sure how long it's been there though so might be longer.
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    #2 trmather, Jan 29, 2022
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    1990

    641 115 - Museum of Modern Art (MoMA), New York
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    641 116 - apparently destroyed during testing
    641 116bis - replacement for the above, where is it?
    641 117 - can't find it anywhere on the web
    641 118 - Seen at the 70th Anniversary in 2017, no Clienti number
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    641 119 - Seen at Montreux Grand Prix in Switzerland (although may actually be 118, chassis plate picture isn't clear) in 2014, no Clienti number
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    641 120 - Seen at GFoS in 2017, driven by Olivier Beretta, no Clienti number so private car?
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    641 121 - Entered by Aaron Hsu at GFoS in 2015 (Hsu is from America so based there perhaps?)
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    #3 johnireland, Jan 29, 2022
    Was at the Petersen Museum today...they have a nice display of about 8 or so.
     
  4. Flavio_C

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  5. TonyL

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    #5 TonyL, Jan 30, 2022
    thanks for posting these pictures, apart from the Jordan 7 up car, this has to be and is the best looking F! car of all time.............a masterpiece and a very advanced piece of machinery.
    Cheers
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  6. trmather

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    1991

    642 122 -
    642 123 - Seen at Amelia Island in 2015, James Jaeger owned?
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    642 124 - At Retromobile in 2018
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    642 125 -
    642 126 - At Black Horse Racing in USA, unsure if still there?
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    One seen at Minardi Day 2019
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    One at Salon Privé in 2017
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    643 127 - Seen at Interclassics in Brussels in 2017
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    643 128 - Seen at Retromobile in 2018
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    643 129 -
    643 130 -

    One for sale by Modena Motorsport currently - http://modena-motorsport.de/portfolio/ferrari-643-1991-grand-prix-car/ - Demonstrated at Zolder a few years back
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    #8 Flavio_C, Jan 30, 2022
    I remember a March “Leyton House” chassis during that crazy “Quattro Mille Route” auction that happened in Milan some years ago. It had no engine but a few spares and the initial bid was 30k euro.
     
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    #9 Flavio_C, Jan 30, 2022
    Crazy, they are selling it as if it was a Prost car.
     
  10. trmather

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    #11 trmather, Jan 30, 2022
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    Another unidentified 643 at the Oldtimer GP, Nürburgring 2020

    Likely to be the same car for sale at Modena Motorsport as it was spotted with a 412T1 in the garage driven by a guy that had Uwe Meissner's red and yellow helmet.

     
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    #12 ingegnere, Jan 30, 2022
    Maybe you saw this already. 643, but does not state chassis no.:

    https://petrolicious.com/articles/the-footnote-ferrari-revisiting-jean-alesis-643-formula-1-car-in-south-africa
     
  13. trmather

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    #13 trmather, Jan 30, 2022
    https://gtspirit.com/2013/06/07/gallery-ferrari-show-day-johannesburg-south-africa/

    I suspect going off this it was 127.

    Wonder if the Petrolicious article is about it now or a few years prior to the article given it talks about 'revisiting'? Wonder why it would be in Brussels in 2017?
     
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    #14 Birel, Jan 30, 2022

    112- Mr Hotzman
    118-Mr Bernhard Breur
    120- Sold from HK collector to Kessell August 2018, seen 06/06/2019 at Uwe Meissner's track days Zolder
    122-Leslie Wexner
    126- Sold to England in 2018
    130- Leopold Hrobsky until 1999
     
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    #15 nerofer, Jan 30, 2022
    Well, should you read german, then it is indeed disclosed in the text: it is clearly stated that it is a replica with a V8 engine.

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  16. nerofer

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    #16 nerofer, Jan 30, 2022
    Not at all: see my post above: the German text clearly states sthat it is a replica with a V8 engine:

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    Not at all, for anyone reading german: "Originalnachbau des F1 von Alain Prost fahrbar 8 Zyl. 3000 ccm"
    "Nachbau": literally "constructed from", which means: "replica"; therefore, the car is presented as an "Original replica of Alain Prost's F1, fitted with a V8 engine"
    Everything is disclosed...

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  17. Bas

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    #17 Bas, Jan 31, 2022
    I presume an F3000 V8 engine then...perhaps a late V8 cosworth.

    If it came without engine and sold for 50K it would be an amazing piece of art to hang on the wall.
     
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  18. SimCity3

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    #18 SimCity3, Jan 31, 2022
    Alonso's R24 being auctioned this week. That screaming V10 must be worth 500k. At least :)
     
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    #19 nerofer, Jan 31, 2022
    Aaaaaaah..the naturally-aspired V10 3.000 cm3; the last proper engine in Formula One. Never to be seen (and heard) again on a Championship race day. Sigh...
    (I never warmed to those Moped 2.400 cm3 V8c starting in 2006; to me, they started the slipery slope...)

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    1992

    F92A 131 - was for sale with Modena Motorsport a few years ago, seen at Zolder in 2018 and 2019 still with Uwe Meissner, not on their website now so perhaps sold?
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    F92A 132 - For sale in the Netherlands in 2015 - seen at Interclassics Topmobiel that year too.
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    F92A (AT) 133 - seen at Circuit du Val de Vienne in France in 2021, looks like Uwe Meissner at the helm with his distinctive helmet so a Modena MS car? (according to this Instagram post it's 133)
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    F92A (AT) 134
    F92A 135
    F92A (AT) 136
    F92A (AT) 137

    Frits van Eerd has one, seen here in an RTL GP episode
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    Jean Alesi also seemingly has one, seen here in an interview on Youtube
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    1993

    F93A 138 -
    F93A 139 - Seen at Zoute Grand Prix in Belgium in 2018
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    F93A 140 - Destroyed according to Ferraris Online, presumably in testing although I'm not sure.
    F93A 141 -
    F93A 142 -
    F93A 143 - Retromobile 2017
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    F93A 144
    F93A 145 - For sale by Modena Motorsport back in 2015
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    Erik Van Loon has one in the Netherlands
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    Frits van Eerd, also in the Netherlands, has three of them
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    The one nearest the camera has the Goodwood Festival of Speed (#93) sticker indicating it ran there at some point, seems like in the mid 2000's so I can't find out which chassis number it is.
     
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  22. ingegnere

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    #22 ingegnere, Feb 13, 2022
    Always liked that car. Wonder if these kept their active suspension?
     
  23. Marcel Massini

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    #23 Marcel Massini, Feb 13, 2022
    111 is not Malcolm Ross but Stanley D. Ross.
    The 1989 Berger Imola crash car is not 107 but 108.
    119 and 120 are both owned by two separate/individual collectors in Switzerland.
    125 is Rodolfo Comerio in Italy.
    133 is in Germany and currently for sale privately.

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  24. trmather

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    #24 trmather, Feb 13, 2022
    Cheers Marcel, I have a feeling you'll know more of the later cars too so will definitely need your help.

    Is one of the collectors in Switzerland Jo Volanthen by any chance? Know he has an F310B on display at his hotel.

    Are you sure about 107 and 108? I shouldn't question you but both the spreadsheet I have (from a source) and Ferraris Online say it's 107.
    https://ferraris-online.com/ferrari-f1-6-the-last-of-the-v12s-1989-1995/

    I have 108 as the T-car that weekend having been used as Berger's race car in Brazil. then being used in Hungary and Belgium later in the year?
     
  25. Marcel Massini

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    #25 Marcel Massini, Feb 13, 2022
    No, not Jo Vonlanthen. The two individual Swiss owners prefer to remain anonymus.
    And Jo Vonlanthen never had a hotel nor did he own an F310B. Surely you know that Vonlanthen was in the sports and race car DISPLAY business? And used to have - on loan - all sorts of cars for exhibits and displays in shopping centers etc. but that doesn't mean that he actually owned these cars!

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