Carbon Ceramic Brakes

They are great for not producing any brake dust on the rims...

Well worth the money even for everyday driving.

 

That's any easy one: They are awesome. Whether on track or street, you'll want them.

And once you've lived with them, you'll never want to be without again!

 

Exactly what i was thinking!! My calipers look like the day i bought the car...not a spec of dirt on my calipers...Forget the fact the brakes Work awesome...forget the fact the discs fill up an otherwise useless void in the wheel.... Its the lack of dust!!

 

serious waste for street use. but they look cool

 

I've heard that the rotors will last the life of the car.

What does that actually mean? More than 100K miles?

Xenon HID headlights are supposed to last 'the life of a car'. I had to replace mine at 8 years and 180K miles in my mercedes

The CC pads are supposed to last 3 time that of the standard pads. Since I got new standard brakes on my 360 at 30K miles maybe that means the pads will last 90K miles.

 

here is ferrari's dirty trick

replacement of the brake pads cost thousands. rotors, don't even ask!


hmmmmm replace people whining about belts, then trick them with brake pads costs





CC rotors are for racing, not the street. it's like having a parachute on the back of your car for the street. it's just not needed

 

Yea....neither is 500+ Horse power, but we all want it!!

 

++++ Get them!!!

1) Little brake dust.
2) Looks amazing.
3) If untracked, will last for a VERY long time.
4) Work fantastic.
5) Did I mention they look amazing???

BTW, they're now standard on all F-cars.

 

For the relatively small fee one would pay for a CCB equipped car in the pre-owned market it's a no brainer.

 

CC brakes look very cool and stop a few percent better, but that is irrelevant on the street. They are mostly for avoiding brake fade on the track during repeated hard braking.

I had a set replaced for $4,000 when the dealer said they cracked after one track day.

The set of rotors is nearly $40,000. The dealer said they have to be replaced maybe every 3 pad changes.

Porterfield makes low dust brake pads for steel brakes. They are available from Ricambi.

 

Jerry,

Just buy the F430, you know you want one!!!!!!!

I have heard many a discussion on properly warming up the CS brakes on the track. There were 2 gentlemen with CS brakes at the last FOW track days that had worn their CS brakes out within 5k miles, one on a CS on the other a F430, I was surprised.

I have the Porterfield R4S pads, little brake dust and little fade, seem to be holding up well.

See you around.

Robert

 

actually that is readily accomplished with any standard (performance) iron setup. you just need good pads and good fluid. the CC brakes are really for unsprung weight reduction, which is irrelevant even for most track use. (of the 1% that track their F-car, only 1% are likely to be at the level where they can even feel the handling difference let alone take advantage of it. so this is a worthwhile option for maybe 10 people worldwide ...)

there you go -- the real point on a street car or even street/track combo car is to put $$$ into ferrari's pocket.

that said, they do look pretty damn cool and i would get them.

 

In the used car market I don't think you will be paying significantly more for CCB, especially since they were standard equipment in most recent model years.

I agree, its a chunk of change and I don't know if I'd bite the bullet if ordering a car new, but since that is no longer an option, try to find a car with CCB...you can probably pick up a higher mileage car with versus a low miles without so there won't be any "cost" associated with them-

 

My 360's steel rotors were originally smooth, but became grooved after just a couple of track days. Some guys at the track said they replace steel rotors after several track days. My CS's rotors are still mirror smooth after several track days.

I think most of the handling difference between the 360 and the CS is due to the tires.

 

Interesting, did you have a look at the cracked discs? Reason I ask is that there are some cars down here that get tracked regularly and none have suffered either of these problems...and our track is pretty heavy on the brakes.

 

No I didn't, and I wonder if they were really cracked. The car was serviced by an authorized dealer so I trusted them on blind faith.

 

I hear quotes of over $25,000 for replacing pads and rotors. For me they are a waste of money since the car is never going pro racing.

 

I can't speak for ferraris. But many porsche club guys I run with actually remove the carbon brakes for track days and put on traditional steel ones. Performance may not be quite as good, but replacing them is a heck of a lot cheaper. Budget no option, go with the carbon ceramics. But unless you have the car set up properly, are using the right temp range pads, the right tires, proper shock dampening, alignment settings, etc, there are better things to spend your money on at the track.

 

CCM is a must have for me, my first F430 was a coupe, it had steels, then I had a spider i tool the chance to spec CCM on, since then, 4-5 cars on ALL have carbon ceramic.
Replacing the pads can be expensive, however you could buy, from a selection of original Ferrari supplied Brembo pads, F430 front Carbon Ceramic pads from my friend who replaces them for me, fitted, for £300... The fronts will almost always need replacing first, and they are the most expensive ones.

Get friends who work in the dealer network as technicians guys!!!

Regards
Michael James

 

Clean wheels, cool looks, and bragging rights to all your friends that DIDN'T get them should be enough! Seriously though...I asked the F folks about replacement and they said that unless you track the car on average most F cars keep original rotors for over 10 years.

One question I have for you guys....can non carbon be converted to carbon with ease?

 

I have an '08 F430 and was wondering if the brake pads for CCBs are the same ones used on the steel brake rotors or are they made out of a different material. Thanks for any replies.

 

I think they might pay for themselves for a car that is out of waranty.

My 360 was hardly ever tracked but went through a set of rotors by 10,000 miles which was under warranty. I think a set of rotors installed on 360 for example is ilke $10K, but I am not certain. An F430 is no doubt more.

I was told that the CC rotors last 100,000 miles.