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  1. jm2

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    Anyone else think there's a flaw in the new Ferrari Roma's design above the badge? Is this a product of fitting the design on this particular chassis or is it meant to be like this?
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    Can you be more specific as to what you’re seeing?
     
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    I can’t imagine it’s there for the shield in that it’s further forward. But I certainly don’t have a good answer for you not having seen the actual car just yet.
     
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    It is created by the hood swooping up to the cowl. In isolation it appears a bit strange but you can see in the attached image how it is the (somewhat) natural intersection of the fender and the swooping up hood. This is an aero thing similar in concept to what the F12 has. Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
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    It still looks like some kind of tumor\un-natural bulge to me... like a snake that swallowed a rabbit.
     
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    it is a bit odd now that you pointed it out. will have to see in person
     
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    A FICTION SHORT STORY (any comments from designers welcomed)





    The Ringer



    Jerry was swearing. It wasn't that hot, but he was swearing because he had agreed to do what Johnny wanted, and now he was worried that , if he did it,his employer would connect him to the theft.
    The object to be purloined object was an experimental car--a '56 Corvette with a lot of special equipment, like stainless steel side coves, fog lamps, twin windscreens, a special dash of engine turned metal--and a big ol' fin on the tail.
    It was called the SR2.
    Just what Johnny wanted to do with it, he didn't ask. When Johnny gave an order you did what he asked or something happened to you. Oh, it always looked like an accident--say a wheel fell off your car or an elevator cable broke. He knew Johnny from way back to East Detroit and even then Johnny had been a bone-breaker.
    He knew where the SR2 was going to be He found out, as a food supplier to special events at the Milford Proving Grounds, that the car was supposed to be shown ot a luncheon of engineers and industry suppliers out at the track in the Proving Grounds, A pro racer would take the guests for rides around a slalom course.
    Jerry hadn't seen the actual car before, but over at the Design Center, he'd seen the clay model on display in the lobby of the Eino Saarinan-designed building. It looked real, but he knew from mny visis that sometimes what you thought was a real turn-key car was just a clay covered with a material that looked like paint called Di-Noc.
    He knew they were moving that one he had seen and the real ready-to-race show car out to the track to be on display for a special event.
    GM moved prototypes out on the road in tractor trailers, sometimes saying GM on the trailer but other times with no name. But it was easy to tell if the cargo was connected with an automaker because it said MFR on the license plates.
    He set up the luncheon and watched the test driver. a retired Indy racer, taking the executives for rides in the red bomber, flat scaring the beejusus out of them. He figured the best time to jack the prototype was after the lunch, when the PR staff would be relaxed, havng accomplished their mission.
    An hour later, the truck drivers were still eating their lunch in a separate tent from the executives and their guests. The executives and guests were already leaving to go back to the Tech Center. Jerry checked the tractor trailer. As he hoped, the driver had left his keys in the ignition, Jerry jumped in and drove the truck away. He chose side roads.He knew the layout like the back of his hand, having set up many a luncheon there.
    The tough part, he knew, would be in getting out of the facility. He waved at the guard and the guard waved him through--obviously the real driver back at the lunch tent--hadn't noticed his truck was gone yet.
    Jerry stopped at a phone booth and called Johnny, saying where he was going to park the truck. He had left his old pickup truck in the same place so he could make a clean getaway. Now in 10 minutes, it was going to be Johnny's problem. He wiped down the cab of prints. He couldn't resist opening the back of the truck and saw the beautiful red rear fender. He idly wondered who Johnny was selling it to-- some South American drug dealer or maybe some sheik in Saudi?
    He drove his old pickup back to the track.
    When he got there, there was a lot of consternation about where the truck was but the Proving Grounds was thousands of acres. Stuff had been lost before--in fact a year ago one car had gone off the track at speed, landed in a pond on the infield and sunk. They didn't find it until a few days later when the driver's body floated to the surface..
    He got home at 6:30 p,m.
    Doris wasn't home yet, but Jimmy was, His 10-year old , Jimmy, was a gearhead like hs old man and even had a picture of the same damn show car on his bedroom wall.
    Doris came home, reheated some leftovers and they all chowed down watching the local news. There was some crisis going on in the Middle East and it was all over the papers. There was no news flash on the stolen prototype--but Jerry figured thar was on purpose--GM probably didn't want to let the public know about the heist because then you'd wonder what kind of sloppy operation was GM running out in Mlford, right?
    Jerry was just relaxing with a Strohs, trying to
    stay awake, watching a game from Tiger Sradium when the phone rang.
    It was Johnny.
    "Did 'ya get the car?"Jerry blurted out.
    "Oh, we picked up the truck all rght," Johnny growled.
    Jerry could tell by Johnny's tone that something had gone wrong. Very wrong.
    "So you think your client will be happy?" Jerry asked, sweat breaking out again on his forehead.
    "He could have," Johnny growled , "except that when my boys went into the truck to unload it , they found out the car inside was just made of mud,"
    "Je-sus H, Christ-," Jerry blurted out, as his stomach sunk. He knew there were two identical show cars there. He had taken the ringer...
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    Out of the Covid-19 Tragedy, a New Era of Design Will Rise, Says Former Ferrari Designer
    Frank Stephenson, the man behind some of the world’s most iconic vehicles, believes future designs will be better oriented towards personal hygiene and safety
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    Frank Stephenson is the one of the most prominent automobile designers of our generation. His signature is etched—at times, literally—on the dashboards of supercars like the McLaren P1, the Ferrari F430, and the Maserati MC12, vehicles normally seen parked in the driveways of Persian Gulf princes. His latest project, however, has to do with a product you are unlikely to find in any of those beasts on wheels: a child’s car safety seat.










    When I asked Stephenson whether he was surprised to be approached to design such an item, he burst out laughing. “Car designers are required to deliver the highest standard of design,” he said. “Car design is not just about the exterior shell, it is also about the seat, the door handle, the headlights, the gas pedal and lots of other small details,” he added. If you can design a speedometer, Stephenson said, there is nothing stopping you from designing a watch. The principles are the same in both cases, he explained, balancing between proportions and aesthetics, between form and function. “After you have honed these skills for 30 years, as I have, you can pretty much design anything.”




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    Indeed, Stephenson has designed pretty much anything you can think of. He has filled a long list of senior design roles, working with some of the shiniest brands in the business: from Ford, BMW, Mini Cooper, Ferrari, Maserati, Fiat, and Alpha Romeo, to McLaren, one of the ultimate superbrands of the automotive industry. Three years ago, Stephenson left to start his own studio.




    McLaren is a very strong brand. Why did you leave the company?




    “Everyone strives to design luxurious and exclusive vehicles, but by 2017 I had been there for a decade already and had completed designs for each segment of the company—sports cars, supercars, and hypercars,” Stephenson said.




    For those less familiar with the lingo, hypercars are considered elite vehicles manufactured in extremely limited editions that cost hundreds of thousands, occasionally even millions, of dollars. These models are considered the haute couture of the car world and inspire the design of the lesser categories.




    Stephenson said he came to a point where he realised he did not want to keep doing the same thing. “A new model comes out every three years, it is a lot of fun, but it gets a bit repetitive, and I began thinking to myself how many lives am I impacting by working on these cars? Sure, people love them, but they do not really need them,” he said.




    “If I were younger, I would likely continue designing cars, it is fun and extravagant. But the truth is I have between five and 10 years before I’ll want to do nothing. I decided to invest that time working on projects that have a real impact.”




    The coronavirus outbreak is a chance for making a real impact.




    “These days of confusion and uncertainty provide the opportunity for radical innovation. It is an opportunity to ponder people’s future interactions with their daily surroundings and map out new design challenges, for example, by increasing personal hygiene and safety levels. The tragic circumstances will bring rise to a new age of design. I believe the world will emerge from the crisis more sophisticated, intelligent and caring than it went into it.”







    Stephenson, 60, is the epitome of old school manliness in the style of Mad Men. He is a prim and proper gentleman, exuding just the right amount of confidence so that he does not seem boastful, while keeping a wild glimmer in his eye. He lives and works in London, the beating heart of the design world, but was born in Casablanca to a Spanish mother and an American father. He grew up in places like Istanbul and Madrid, went to school in the U.S. and is fluent in four languages: English, Spanish, Italian, and German.




    Stephenson was 10 years old when he first laid eyes on a Jaguar—he remembers the exact date—and experienced an epiphany, but his love affair with motor vehicles began at 17 when he bought his first motorcycle to pursue a career in motocross racing. In his rookie year on the racing circuit, he won the championship for his age group and was signed to a contract. After five years, he was one of the top 10 riders in the world. Then, his father told him to quit. His father told him that, in racing, if you are not the best in the world then you are not good enough and no one will remember you, he said.




    Stephenson obeyed. He began drawing cars in his free time and decided to enroll in the ArtCenter College of Design in Pasadena, one of the leading design schools in the U.S. During his studies, Stephenson’s competitive streak overtook him. While in his sophomore year, he got an offer from Ford to fund the rest of his studies in return for a commitment to come work for the company when he graduates. Stephenson agreed and in 1991 began working at Ford’s studio in Germany, where he learned a valuable lesson on the pecking order at car companies.




    “In every design process, it is dangerous when a designer becomes too arrogant and decisive,” Stephenson said when asked where he draws the line in the ongoing battle between designers and engineers. “Developing an industrial product requires a wide variety of experts in various fields, which inevitably requires compromise by all parties.”




    “Naturally, if an engineering solution critically hurts a product’s aesthetics, it is the designer’s obligation to either redesign the product to be more visually pleasing or dive into the engineering issue to try to find an alternative design solution. Once, while I was in the process of designing the rear spoiler of the Ford Escort Cosworth, the finance department told me to remove the middle fin to cut down on a small fraction of the manufacturing costs. It upset me because the car lost out both in terms of its performance and its unique design.”




    Stephenson moved over to BMW and in under three weeks created the prototype of the X5 model, which remains the foundation for the company’s off road vehicle line to this day.




    In 1999, Stephenson was chosen to redesign the company’s MINI Marque, which kept the same exact form ever since entering the market 40 years earlier and was about to die out due to new licensing demands at the turn of the century. He was given no design limitations and the brief he received was to create a new interpretation of the MINI designed for the 21st century. Stephenson said, however, that the car had such a unique character that it would be sacrilege to design something entirely different from the original.




    In order to rise to the challenge, Stephenson said he drew versions of the MINI as if it had evolved over the decades until he discovered a futuristic version that he liked. “The model I designed looked like the great-grandchild of the original vehicle—sharing the same characteristics, only stronger, faster and smarter. I wanted people to look at it and ask themselves where have they seen this before,” he said.




    The new MINI was unveiled in October 2000 and earned widespread accolades, from those who owned the previous model to the younger generation of car lovers and casual drivers. “It is my favorite out of all the cars I have designed because it successfully combines nostalgia for the past with excitement for the future,” he said.



    In 2002, Stephenson got a dream offer, to become the chief designer for Ferrari and Maserati. Stephenson knew that creative freedom was limited at Italian companies, since they tend to be more traditional design-wise, but could not turn down the offer. While at Ferrari, he co-designed, together with Italian design studio Pininfarina S.p.A., the F430, which has since become a classic with second-hand demand continuously climbing.


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    In 2006, Stephenson’s supervisor sent him, much to his surprise, to work at Fiat, which, back then, was facing collapse. Fiat-Chrysler’s legendary CEO Sergio Marchionne, then one of the most powerful executives in the international automotive industry, asked Stephenson to work his magic and design a car that would save the company within 10 months. Stephenson told him it was impossible but Marchionne, who was famous for his tendency to fire people who turned him down, told him simply that it was his job.



    Stephenson’s solution was to retrofit the design of the old Fiat Panda as a modern take on the classic Fiat 500, manufactured between 1957 and1975. Stephenson’s retrofitted model was a resounding commercial success that still gets special editions made in collaboration with top fashion brands. “It is almost a pop icon,” Stephenson said. “It immediately became the car you had to be seen in while cruising cool cities. It is an old car, but its skin is ageless and wrinkle-free,” he said, adding that his wife, Linda, drives one.




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    Stephenson himself drives a Landrover. It is like a pair of old comfortable jeans that is full of holes, he said. As far as Stephenson is concerned, however, motorcycles still offer the true thrill.




    “I own a Ducati motorcycle, which is just nuts, it is the Ferrari of motorcycles. It is probably not street legal anymore because it has undergone so many modifications that it is essentially a racing motorcycle with a license plate. Once a week, on Sunday, I wake up early and go for a ride. I ride fast and let off a lot of steam. It is a very emotional experience for me. I enjoy drawing and designing, but if I am looking for excitement I will head to the racetrack, because riding on the road is neither safe nor enjoyable. At the track, everyone is riding in the same direction and no one can cut me off without seeing me.”




    In 2008, after his final year at Fiat, this time as Alpha Romeo’s design manager, Stephenson was appointed the chief designer of U.K.-based automaker McLaren, which is famous for its futuristic, space-inspired designs—or as comedian Jay Leno called it, “the atomic insect look.” Leno’s collection features a Stephenson designed McLaren P1, a hypercar model of which only 375 vehicles were made. It has a price tag of $1.15 million and can accelerate from 0 kilometers per hour to 100 kph in 2.8 seconds.




    Now, three years after leaving McLaren. Stephenson is involved in two major projects. The first is an autonomous air taxi manufactured by Germany-based jet company Lilium GmbH, which is currently awaiting regulatory approval to start operating. “When I walk into the private airfield in Munich, it is like stepping into the future,” he said. “These taxis take off, fly around, they do everything. The only thing that is holding them back is the safety factor—the challenge is how to prevent such a vehicle from malfunctioning mid-air and crashing down on a city, killing 100 people. With planes it is different, they fly 10,000 meters above the ground and if they crash it is in the middle of nowhere, but these air taxis fly 300 meters above the ground (the equivalent of a 90-story building) and land on hotel rooftops. It is a wonderful concept, but you have to make sure it is safe.




    “Nowadays, safety is the number one priority. Design is important because if people do not like the looks of a product they will not buy it and quality is critical. But the assumption is that anything you can find on the shelf today is a quality product because people do not buy garbage, so the main marketing feature is safety,” he said.




    Another marketing factor that is gaining significance is a product’s ecological footprint. “Today’s young people consume far less,” he said.”And when they buy something it is not an object but an experience. That is why they prefer to ride in an Uber instead of buying a car and worrying about insurance, accidents or theft. The products that they do purchase must be environmentally friendly.”




    That is where Stephenson’s second project comes in: the BabyArk car seat that he is designing for Israel-based Mobius Protection Systems Ltd. that promises heightened security, premier design, and an optimal user experience. The car seat, made out of carbon fiber that reduces its weight by half. It is based on military technology developed by Mobius that is already in use in Israeli-made tanks, which features a unique spiral-like part that rests on the seat’s base and absorbs energy. In the case of an accident, the energy that flows through the car’s frame stretches the spiral and creates a deformity in the plastic that shields the seated child.




    “It is an amazing technological idea,” Stephenson said, “but it is always like that: the best technology is always the simplest. I love nature, it is a major inspiration for me because it does incredible things with minimal tools. This technology, which has been used by the military, only to protect people instead of killing them, is a positive spin.”




    Nature as a source of inspiration is also expressed in the egg-like design, which, according to Stephenson, is meant to lend the seat a more natural and less industrial look. “That is important because it is your baby, your most precious treasure. You do not want to seat it in a machine, you want to seat it in something warm and cozy.




    “The seat is designed in a way that will make parents forgo buying the newest product out there. With smart technology, we can know whether the seat was involved in an accident and what its condition is. If it is damaged, we will know where and replace only the relevant part and not the whole seat. This way, parents will be able to use the seat for years.”




    Stephenson also said that parents will not need to buy more than one seat per-child even in a multi-car household, as the seat’s voice-operated system can guide them through installation, taking them step by step to ensure the seat is properly and safely installed, after being moved.




    These features, Stephenson said, justify the seat’s $650 price tag. The price should not be what stops someone, from buying this seat, he said, the only consideration should be whether it is the safest seat on the market. ”We will prove that this is the safest product for your baby. Of course, not everyone can afford to buy the high-end product and we will have to examine how to capture the rest of the market.”




    Do you regret spending most of your career designing cars that harm the environment?




    “No, not at all. Like everything else in the world, progress is the result of learning. The most important thing in a designer’s career is staying relevant and that means searching for new technologies that will let your work showcase the most recent developments and strive for better efficiency with less of a harmful impact on the environment.”




    “Design is my life. I do not need to activate that part of me, it is always there. I look at objects people make with a critical eye. It takes me a while to go from point A to point B in a restaurant because I go back to examine one object or another and think how I would redesign it, whether it is that kettle or this fork. It might look fantastic, but does it work well? It is a nice design, but is the ornament required? How does it feel when I press my thumb to it? I always seek to simplify things, nature does not make anything complicated.”
     
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    QUESTION ABOUT GORDON MURRAY'S NEW T50 DESIGN
    I was going to do a design critique of his new suoercar design, but don't know what to mske of the hmoungous fan at the ear(thnk florida swamp buggy) described like this in Motor1's article:

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    "The 15.75-inch (400-millimeter) fan accelerates the airflow as it passes through the rear diffuser. It uses a vertically oriented intake duct to prevent the fan from picking up road debris. Vents also direct the air downward to cool the powertrain oil. For further aero adjustments, there are two active wings at the back that can bend upward to add downforce or flatten to reduce drag.

    "What we do when the fan fires up, and we want more downforce at lower speeds, is we open the slots and spool the fan up to maximum, and we remove all the dirty air and the boundary layer, and that means that the air has to follow the surface. It's forced to follow the surface to fill the vacuum that was left there," Murray told Road & Track."
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    MY QUESTION: Did he desgn this fan indeependent of any laws about where a fan can exhaust out of car, ie, how high off the ground? It seems to be if you walk by the rear of the car at the wrong time wth a baby carriage or grade school kid, the baby or the kidlet is going to get a blast of air as they walk by, right in the kisser! I worried before about exhaust pipes creeping up higher and hgher in supercrs but now we have somerthing new to worry about! I remember when I sampled a Chrysler turbine car, I was little worried at traffic lights that the car beihnd me would get too close and find out first hand what a jet exhausr feels like...
     
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    A satisfying career for sure.
     
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    A trip down automotive memory lane.

    THE CHANGING ARCHITECTURE OF THE AUTOMOBILE BODY" 1970s GM AUTOMOBILE DESIGN FILM


     
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    Car Design under lockdown as per Moray Callum VP Design, FoMoCo:
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    • Car design depends on teamwork, in sharp contrast to the social distancing the coronavirus pandemic has imposed. How does smart working change creative activity? What consequences will it have on the form of tomorrow’s cars? Auto&Design has asked these questions of carmaker design chiefs and independent style centres. The vision of Moray Callum, Vice President Ford Design.

      How has your way of working changed during this period of closure?

      Our work is often based on physical models, discussing these objects all together and studying a solution to make them better and better. This aspect has obviously changed a lot and to compensate for this loss we are fortunately well supported by technology and we continue to see each other remotely and discuss design. We even have a great opportunity: we work at home with virtual reality.

      So you brought specific tools from the studio and recreated a design office at home?

      Yes, we have. We have recreated a real virtual reality workstation at our homes that allows us to see things as if they were real. Just put on the viewer, grab the joystick and you’re done. It’s a project born in the form of an experiment, but it’s done incredibly well. The workstation was installed in the homes of some Ford Design directors, but soon we want to extend it to the chief designers as well. The other guys took home everything they needed to keep working, from tablets to PCs.


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      How does this technology work?

      We can review and validate the same model at the same time and see ourselves all together in the same virtual world. We are even able to recognize each other because everyone is identified by our own avatar. We can also talk to each other through the microphones installed into the viewer. At the moment we are not able to make changes in real time, but this helps us to validate the 3D model just as we would do in the studio.

      From your point of view, how will the shapes of the cars you design change during this period?

      Right now it’s really difficult to answer this question because it’s like we’re still in a storm. The time will tell if the way we design will have changed. What influence could the question of social distance have, for example, on the distribution of the interior space of a vehicle? It’s hard to say.

      How important is inspiration from the outside for a designer?

      Inspiration from the outside is very important for our job, I think it’s really difficult for each of us to have strong inspiration if we are always locked indoors. However, we have to live this moment trying as much as possible to produce new ideas in our team and this is allowed by technology. We have every chance to do that. Waiting for things to get back to normal.
     
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    Those 2 guys did more to influence a whole generation of designers/artists, me included. There will be a book shortly.

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    I really liked that thing (from all angles) until I saw the side view. Perhaps a bit too cartoonish? Windshield to Axle ratio needs to be > 0, IMHO!
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    Artistic license!
     
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