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Cant find a 295/35, any tire suggestions?

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  1. kenneyd

    kenneyd Formula 3

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    I hate the start ANOTHER tire tread, but my car is badly in need of a set of tires and I feel the stock 265/40 pilot sports i have on there now look almost embarrassingly skinny on a 10'' rims.
    Ive read just about all the threads here and ive found a large majority highly recommend the 295/35-18 Michelin Pilot Super sports. Great! until i find out they are out of stock. Tire rack informed me that Michelin has yet to start a production run and it will be 2 or more months before we see a 295/35 back on the shelves. Discount tire said since its a low demand size, it may never come back. (hope thats not true)

    So that doesn't leave a lot of choices. Bridgstone has a the mediocre re760, theres the toyo proxes and the conti' extremecontact wet.


    The other option is the 285/35 which ive seen one or two members suggest. is about 2% smaller which means my speedo is off, im adding slighly more miles to my car, sidewall apearance is shorter but it does open the tire field so a slew of R-compound tires as well as the michelin 285s, s-04s and r-s3

    thoughts? Any pictures of a 285 mounted on our rims?
     
  2. ///Mike

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    For everyday street driving the Continental Sport Contact DW has good wet and dry grip and is comfortable and quiet as performance tires go. For more aggressive driving the Nitto NT05 holds up pretty well on the track for a street tire. Both are available in 295/35-18. I have two sets of the Nittos for my 348 (17s & 18s) which probably cost less in combination than one set of Michelins that would not hold up nearly as well on the track. Hankook and Dunlop both build some great tires that might be available in 295 as well.

    There are plenty of sources for tires other than Tire Rack. :)
     
  3. fatbillybob

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    Like mink said...i have been very impressed with the contis dw. Great street tire for the maranello. For dotR tire hoosier A7 but not for street at all.
     
  4. time

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    I am running SS's now but I enjoyed the Continentals too. I'd buy them again.
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

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    What is wrong with Bridgestone S04s?
     
  6. GTO Joe

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    There are 295/30 18 MPS available if you would be willing to go to lower aspect ratio. I just put a set on my Porsche TT two weeks ago. I must say it took Discount Tire two weeks to access them from CA and send them to my local store here in NC. They were fresh having been made in the French factory two months ago. They were also the slightly more expensive Porsche N3 Spec tires but they did say the non N spec were available as well.
     
  7. FCOnyx

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    I've loved the S line for years. To this day the S-02 is still my fav tire of all time... but they were from the 17" era and were never made in larger sizes that we need today.

    I currently run S-04s on all 4 corners of both my cars. Love them.
     
  8. kenneyd

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    I had s-04 on my Cts-V and was impressed. They do not make a s-04 in the 295 size, it is avail in the 285/35 as well as the r-s3 and the MPSS and out of those 3 I guess i would chose the mpss.

    The reason people like the 295/35 is from the size, they look identical, same side wall height. Do you think the 285/35 would upset the look from the side being 1/2 smaller? or am i just splitting hairs?



    ///Mike, seems like you were please with the nittos, I was looking at the NT01 and the NT05 but couldnt find anyone using them on our cars. Any complaints?
     
  9. SoCal1

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    Michlens last too long for the amount on miles I put on them. They time out before wearing out
    I will go sticky from now on

    5000 a set of tires is perfect for my use
     
  10. fatbillybob

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    Two comments.
    First tire selection should not be based on how they look on the car unless spinners are required.

    Second tire size on the sidewall is not true to size. The manufacturer has the actual size. Sometimes a 295 will fit fine from one maker but rub your fender from another.
     
  11. vjlax18

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    295/35 to 285/35 is only like a 3.5mm shorter sidewall. Also, what's the minimum wheel width for a 295/35 tire according the each manufacturer?
     
  12. brent Lachelt

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  13. kenneyd

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    #13 kenneyd, Sep 25, 2015
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    It depends on the manufacture as you suggested, 295 is typically tested with a 10.5" but the range is 10-11".
    Another interesting example there was a couple 265s a came across that the range was no higher than 9.5" (mening to skinny for our cars and the toyo R888 305s size stated a 10"-11" rims
     
  14. jimmym

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    Bridgestone REO5OA. I have these on my F355 and my Sl55.
     
  15. Mitch Alsup

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    I hated these so much I took them off with only 1,000 miles on them and went back to S-04s. No traction, especially bad on the tracks.
     
  16. ///Mike

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    Nitto builds outstanding tires-- IMO, the quality equals the other brands mentioned here.

    The NT01 is probably the best true track tire on the market that can still be driven back and forth to the track. It's quite a bit heavier than a Hoosier and not as sticky initially, but it's less prone to damage/flat spotting and it lasts far longer than Hoosiers (with less drop-off in grip due to heat cycles). However, its wet and cold weather grip make it unsuitable for use on the street except on dedicated track cars. I run them on my ///M3, but that car is not driven in the rain and is seldom driven on the street other than to and from the track. For that purpose the NT01 is ideal, but it's not the best choice even for a car that is tracked, but primarily driven on the street.

    For street cars that see a little track time, or for track tires for less experienced or less aggressive drivers, there are a few good choices available in the US: the NT05, the Bridgestone RE71R, the Hankook Ventus R-S3, and the Dunlop Star Specs are all excellent tires in what I call the "cheater autocross" category. All of those tires hold up better to the heat generated on the track than do most any other street tire, and they offer more grip as well. Not sure how many are available in the sizes you want though.

    I chose the NT05s for my 348 because I wanted 245/295s that would be predictable on the track as I start setting up the suspension, and also because they're cheap. When you go through as many tires as I do, you don't want to pay $400 each for them, especially when better tires are available for less $. :)

    Now, if you're not doing any track stuff at all even those listed above are pretty much overkill. As someone who has been teaching high performance driving for twenty years, I can tell you that most people don't use the full capabilities of the tires on the track, let alone on the street. I drive hard on both the track and the street, but I still don't push my street car hard enough to need or want the dry grip advantage offered by the stickiest tires.

    For what it's worth, my tire selection criteria for street tires are as follows: wet grip (particularly braking), price, longevity, comfort, noise. For a car that is not driven very often, longevity becomes less of an issue, since you'll likely have to replace the tires due to age instead of wear. And if you studiously avoid driving your car in the rain, you can push wet weather traction down the list, although I still think it's important in case you happen to get caught in an unexpected shower. Build quality is also important, but not really a factor since all of the brands under discussion are excellent tire makers.

    I'm not in the tire biz and I don't have any particular axe to grind, but I do have above average experience with various brands of tires, especially on the track. My experiences have shown that in almost no case is it necessary to buy at the top end of the price range unless you are competing at a fairly high level, and certainly not on the street. An expensive tire does not necessarily offer more grip, and the vast majority of street drivers (myself included) don't need max dry weather grip anyway. If you drive aggressively, you're going to be replacing tires often enough that you can try lots of different brands (and you won't want to spend any more than you have to). If you drive normally, you may very well wind up replacing the tires due to age alone.

    One final bit of advice: if you're undecided between two different tires in the same performance class, choose the lightest one. Unsprung weight makes a huge difference in the way a car rides/handles, and rotating weight makes a big difference in the way a car accelerates/brakes/changes direction. Lighter is better, but not at the expensive of fragility. Otherwise, we'd be having this discussion on Lotustalk. ;)

    HTH,

    ///Mike
     
  17. ///Mike

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    One more freebie tip: if you buy tires from Discount Tire Direct and you're not in a big hurry, keep your eye on eBay because they often offer rebate cards with the purchase of two or four tires from DDT. And sign up for the DDT emails as well, for the same reason. I think I got $100 back on one set of NT05s for my 348, and $75 back on the next set. DDT was already offering the best price after shipping, so the rebates were just icing on the cake. :) :) :)
     
  18. jimmym

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    I like them on the street. I never track my car.
     
  19. kenneyd

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    I'll check for that.
    thanks for the info in the nittos. I ran several sets of nittos when i was younger on my camaro, no particular issues with them other than they seem to have a odd avoidance among certain groups, usual for no particular reason IMO.

    Im looking for sticky since i completely agree with you these will likely time out before the wear out. I autocross monthly and plan on a few easy track days.
    I will have to double check but when i checked the re71r, r888, nt01, rival S, none were available in a comparable size. (most 30 series and significantly to short.)

    One other frustrating thing was if you simply google anything including most r-compound tire VS MPSS, just about every review favors the MPSS.


    225/285 MPSS 980 AR Out the door @DiscountTire
    225/285 Rs3 ~1100 Est Out the door via tirerack
    225/285 s04 860 AR Est out the door via tirerack
    225/295 NT05 1040 est out the door via performtread
    225/265(stock) re11 1000 AR est out the door via tirerack
    225/265(stock) rs3 1020 est out the door via tirerack
    225/265(stock) yok ad08r 1100 est out the door via tireack


    Discount actually has a real good price on those MPSS especially after the rebate, might just pull the trigger this weekend.




    Thanks for the help guys
     
  20. jimmym

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    Bridgestone S04's are a good tire. I have those on my 993S. On the street I don't notice a big between the RE050A and the S04's. Of course these tires are on 3 different cars so it is not easy to make a direct comparison.
     
  21. kenneyd

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    #21 kenneyd, Oct 6, 2015
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    #22 kenneyd, Nov 21, 2015
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    I just wanted to give an update

    Ive done an autocross and last weekend a track event at the roebling Rd road course (awesome experience BTW).
    I was concerned / curious about the balance of the car after changing the rear tire size after reading some comments that it would cause understeer.

    I can testify there was no understeer and if anything slight oversteer on the line. There were few times when i let off the throttle in a turn and wished there was a little more rubber back there lol.

    Most of the turns are 80mph-110mph turns around 1-1.2 Gs and the tires held up great, no chunking, even wear. the only complaint is silly, there is no audible warning when pushing the turns, they are completely silent.


    I highly recommend these tire in this size
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  23. cf355

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    cool. thanks for the update
     

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