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488 Can you use ceramic brake pads for steel roters on Ferrari Carbon Ceramic brake system?

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  1. 488gtbb

    488gtbb Rookie

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    I was wondering if you can use ceramic pads that are designed for steel brake systems, on a Ferrari
    that is using Carbon ceramic rotors.

    Since all Ferrari's are equipped with CCB, only brake pad choice we have is stock Brembo pads for CCB
    or Pagid Rsl series pads.

    It would be nice if there were a lot of pad choices ~ like Ferrodo, Endless, PFC ect.

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  2. Giallo27

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    Sorry, you can’t.

    Basically CCM pads brake because they are “melting” with discs when they reach the right temperature.

    Steel pads brake because of the friction with disc. Moreover these pads have different metal in its composition, and it would damage the ccm rotors.
     
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  3. LVP488

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    Pagid RSC are also adapted to CC rotors; that's the ones I use.
     
  4. Kent Adams

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    Not all Ferrari's have CCB, the newer one's do. Frankly, I prefer steel brakes but it's no longer an option.
     
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  5. mdrums

    mdrums F1 Rookie

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    Stick with the stock pads or Pagid pads designed for CCM rotors like the rsc1
     
  6. 488gtbb

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    Thank you~ looks time to search some stock pads from Brembo.
     
  7. 488gtbb

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    How does it feel, compare to the stock CCB pad? If its aggressive to the rotors Im sticking with the stock pads.
     
  8. 488gtbb

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    Ow I see.



    I also prefer steel systems. So manys pads to choose from.



    I saw some 488s with Gyrodisc still rotors,

    Thats not possible?
     
  9. LVP488

    LVP488 F1 Veteran

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    The 488 used for rentals on track are all equipped with steel discs, so kits certainly exist.
    Regarding the Pagid RSC they are a great combo with the Surface Transforms CC discs; I assume they'd be also good with the Brembo discs.
     
  10. Need4Spd

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    Surface Transforms now has a U.S. distributor. There is no way I’d compromise braking and other performance by going to heavy steel rotors. At these prices plus the ability to refurbish, they’re less than the cost of more frequent iron rotor replacements while keeping all the advantages of carbon ceramics. Use with Pagid RSC-1 for slightly better street performance, or RSC-2 for street/track.

    From their site.
    “ST vs Iron Rotors

    Up to 70% weight savings compared to iron brakes - typically 40lbs of unsprung weight
    Improved handling and drivability
    Improved NVH (less noise, vibration, and harshness)
    Improved performance in both wet and dry conditions
    Reduced brake wear / increased life
    Reduced brake dust
    Corrosion-free, no more rust!
    Outstanding performance, even from cold
    ST vs Traditional Carbon-Ceramic Rotors

    Approximately 50% less expensive than OEM CCB rotor replacements
    Able to be refurbished up to 3 times (see below for details)
    Average expected track life is 4000 to 5000 miles*
    Street life should exceed the life of the car*
    Available for both existing CCB and cast iron fitments without replacing calipers
    Better braking performance
    Significant improvement in brake modulation - better trailbraking
    Option to run a much more aggressive pad for track applications
    Working with more brake pad manufacturers to offer different compounds
    Operating temperatures approximately 200 degrees lower than traditional CCBs”

    https://hinzmotorsport.com/collections/surface-transforms-for-ferrari-models


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  11. PowerLabs

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    That is a very odd description, given that:

    - Carbon has no melting point, it sublimes (transitions from a solid to a gas) at ~6400F. Your brakes never actually reach that temperature, they mostly “wear” by oxidizing when exposed to air at high temperature, which is why the service life of carbon rotors is a function of rotor mass: once enough material has oxidized away they need to be replaced.

    - All brakes work “because of the friction between the pad and the disk”. There is no other mechanism by which train, airplane, or car brakes work, regardless of what materials are used.

    To answer the OP’s question, it is not uncommon to use aftermarket brake pads with carbon rotors in things like corvette ZR1 brake rotor swaps into other cars, it seems to work OK but is not something I would personally experiment with. Some brake pads such as metallic compounds are likely to transfer pad material to the rotor and cause uneven spots, leading to vibration, noise, etc.


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