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California30-gearbox not in parking position. Park Lock failure

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  1. Obiter

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    Any solution to this guys? My cali 30 2013 just showed up a big problem. Used to show P whenever i turned off the car. Now it stays at N with a message "gearbox not in parking position". Otherwise drives ok just that when you turn off ignition, key does not comen out unless u press the black button located behind the key on the steering stock. The "wrench turn at luggage compartment" solution in the manual does not work. It is for manually releasing a park lock when batt is down. But if it is not engaged to begin w, there is nothing to unlock. I suspect itz electrical. A burnt switch or fuse. No cel or code! Thanks in advance.
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  2. mcw

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    On my '16 Cali T, going out to start the car one day earlier this year, the car would not start and the key was stuck until using the button release as you describe. I don't recall what messages were displayed. Turns out I had forgotten how old the battery was (which was over four years old). I had been keeping the car on the tender, drive it a few thousand miles a year, and checked the battery voltage with a voltmeter. Putting in a new battery solved the problem. The messages after putting in the new battery were impressively expensive sounding and cycled through various parts of the car for the first 6-10 starting and driving cycles and then settled back to normal usage.
     
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  3. technom3

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    Yup. These cars don't just run on volts... They run on amps. You can put a volt meter on and get 12.6 or 13 volts but you won't have enough amps to satisfy all of the electrical components.

    If your battery is 2 years old or older... Put a new one in and drive it.
     
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  4. Obiter

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    Thank you for your responses. Once i get my maserati gt back from the garage, i am changing the timing chain, i will get to work on cali30.i was trying to eliminate parts logically in my mind. It cnt be the dct because i dun get any fault codes or cel and the car runs merry apart from the problem described above. Next would be the batt. I have unfortunately not been able to run a full charge on my ctek. Will it next. The second possibility would be some failure on an electrical switch or wire or fuse connecting the ignition lock to the dct control module ee the park lock specifically. Saw in another thread for a similar but not verbatim problem that this may be a possibility. The third would be mechanical or electric failure on the lock itself. I am wondering whether i can take out the part and get some elctrician to fix it if that was the case. The worst case scenario is to have to change the ignition lock, door keylock and boot key lock. I dun think they sell these parts on scuderia car parts website but have noticed salvage parts for these. But i would then have to migrate immobilisers on my current key to these keys that come w the salvage parts. This would be the most painful possibility. Oh well. There is strangely no thread on this website dealing w this specific problem, at least not one w a solution. Will update!
     
  5. Obiter

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    Will also explore changing a batt anew, before i go to the final option!
     
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  6. Texas Forever

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    Maybe new cars should come with two batteries.
     
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  7. technom3

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    Like every profession... Whatever the budget is... It's never enough.


    Double your advertising budget and your staff will ask for an increase next year.

    Double your amps... And your engineers will just max that **** out too.
     
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  8. Texas Forever

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    Duh, slaps forehead, I forgot they are computers not cars.
     
  9. JCR

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    Along with the new battery get a battery maintainer like a CTEK and use it.
     
  10. Obiter

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    Ctek recon didnt work. Will try pluggimg connectiom off batt for abit and reconnect to see whether anything chamges. Fingers crossed!
     
  11. mcw

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    For my experience mentioned above, the Ctek indicated green, a battery charger connected directly to the battery overnight looked fine on low current delivery after several hours, and the voltage looked fine. No good for starting until too-old battery was replaced with new.
     
  12. Obiter

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    Ueah. I left overnight and ctek finished charging but gearbox not in gear msg continued to apoear. Next steo is tobplug out batt for awhile and replug in. If it still doesnt work, then will have to change batt. But will get garage to give a batt reading with their handheld device before i do sigh. These italian beauties are so temperamental
     
  13. SVCalifornia

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    Ok so this sounds familiar. I had a 2010 Cali I got late in 2010.

    When I first got it home it would have this problem. Intermittently. I looked in the manual and it actually mentioned that this could happen and you needed to restart the car and move it slightly to lock the transmission! Not very well engineered I thought.

    Very quickly I discovered the problem of the DCT hydraulic cables would rattle the floorboards while shifting. And I think another issue that I can’t quite recall. Anyway I took the car in a couple of times but eventually they replaced the transmission and I never had this error reoccur nor did the cables make a sound.

    AFAIK the issue never arose on later model Calis tho. So I’m surprised you ran into it. My guess is it needs servicing… or maybe just a software update.

    SV
     
  14. Obiter

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    Thank you. I dun think replacing the transmission is an option haha. Will try out the small checks and fixes in the meantime. If it does not change by the time i get back my gt is a few days, i will send it in to a garage. Sigh
     
  15. Obiter

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    I am assuming when you say restart and move car alittle, you mean this: u turn off ignition amd msg that gearbox not in park turns up. Restart the car, move to 1st yr and move slightly, and then turn off ignition?

    Second, i am assuming ur hydraulic cable point is an aside and unrelated to the bearbox not in parked mode point?
     
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    Not to state the obvious, but are you shutting off the car when it is still in gear and pulling the key out in one smooth motion? If you leave the key in the slot for too long it will put the car in "car wash" mode which leaves it in neutral. Might be a problem with the ignition switch?

    Conversely, if the car is idling and you pull both paddles to be in neutral, and pull the parking brake switch, does the parking brake engage? (The display will change from HOLD to PARK if you open the door, or at least it does on the California T, I can't remember what my Cali 30 did.) If that puts the car into park, I wonder if you could just shut off the key at that point and get around the problem until you figure it out.
     
  17. Obiter

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    Hi vjd3,nothing to do w this. I am aware of this and fact tested it already. Thank you. Someone here suggested change the batt and that putting it on ctek means nothing if the batt is dead.got my battery tested by a random garage over here today and it looks like the next step is to try a btt change


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    Sorry. I forgot to answer the second paet of ur post. Car is in hold mode means that electric parking brake is engaged. Nothing to do w park lock in gear box. Previously, in better times, when i turn off the key, car goes to P automatically on the gear display. And electric parking brake is also engaged as denoted by red light w P. Now it only goes to N on the gear display w a msg on the lcd saying gearbox not in parking mode or something. it is the parklock in the gearbox failing to physically engage when engine is turned off (which it should). Will go chamge batt tomorrow!
     
  19. Motob

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    I have seen the the shaft inside the gearbox that engages and disengages the parking lock break. It is a poor design and is prone to fracturing.
    It is possible that this is what has happened to your gearbox.
     
  20. Obiter

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    But if it fractures, wldnt there be cel for gearbox? Problem is that there is no cel or codes when i plug in. Will go change batt now and update! Thanks.
     
  21. Obiter

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    I was reading the cali manual for workshop. It says there is a parking lpck bolt apart from parking lock. Maybe thats gone. I dunno. Will continue the elimination. Just chamged a new batt. Everything is glowing but does not solve the parking lock problem. Will see in a few days and if it doesnt solve thw problem, will move on to check another area.
     
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  22. Motob

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    Does the car run and drive normally? Does it shift through all of the gears? Is the only problem that you have the car not going into park and the instrument cluster displaying "Gearbox not in parking position"?

    Can you manually put the gearbox in and out of parking position using the emergency tool?
    If all of the above is correct, then the shaft inside the gearbox for the park position is probably broken.

    When the shaft breaks it disconnects from the hydraulic piston that moves it and the position sensor/magnet that tells the ECU what position the shaft is in. The gearbox will be stuck in either park or not park, but that can still be changed using the emergency tool (large aluminum allen wrench).
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  23. Obiter

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    Wow. Thank you very much. The msg and N on the gear selector when i turn off ignition is the only problem i hv. It does not go to P. I have tried and cnt manually fix it by using the manual tool and turning it at the boot. Turning the wrench makes no diff to the gear selector and N. So it means the bolt is broken as u think? Many thanks in advance!
     
  24. Obiter

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    Otherwise drives normally
     
  25. Obiter

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    Hi there, many thanks for this. if this is indeed the problem, i am guessing you will have to drop the gearbox to open it up to repair? Also, is the broken part available on maranello or scuderiacarparts or eurospares? Otherwise, how do i optain the replacement part? Many thanks in advance! Sorry for the trouble.


     

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