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California - Roof won't close

Discussion in 'California/Portofino/Roma' started by 695, Apr 16, 2022.

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  1. 695

    695 Formula Junior

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    Came home from a nice drive in the spring sun and wanted to close the roof. Everything is fine, it opens the trunk and roof and rear window comes out and then it starts to close the trunk and stops 4-5 inches before it close the trunk and nothing happens.

    I can open the roof again and the trunk closes as it should and everything is fine, but it will not close the roof. So as it will open fully everything should be working okay, so what could be the problem?
     
  2. bb2thdr

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    Sounds like the positioning sensors are off. You can try turning the car off, waiting like 15 minutes and then start it again and see if it works. If not, disconnect the battery and do the battery reset procedure which should reset the ECU controlling the roof. Only do this while the engine is running so you know you have proper voltage and current going to the ecu's.
     
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  3. 695

    695 Formula Junior

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    Thanks
    I guess that you mean only operate the roof while the car is running, not that the car should be running when disconnecting the battery, right?
     
  4. bb2thdr

    bb2thdr Formula Junior

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    Correct
     
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  5. 695

    695 Formula Junior

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    Had the car on a CTEK MXS 5 directly to the battery over night, took the car for a spin in the morning sun and put the roof up when I came back like there had never been a problem. The roof apparently has the attitude of a French waiter at a bistro in Paris :)
     
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  6. bb2thdr

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    Yes sounds like the position sensors were off and the recharge did it.
     
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  7. tomc

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    Gotta love Ferrari!
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  8. 695

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    :) What I have learned over the years is that almost any car will have some weird behavior at some point. With the different forums really maturing over the last decade, it is getting easier to live with this as help and advice is almost always available.

    Ferrari hasn't really moved into DIY territory yet, but I think we should start to see it soon with the California.

    The cheapest car I ever had from a maintenance point of view was a Maserati GranTurismo, over two years and 20.000 miles it was only ordinary service. Most expensive, a Range Rover with constant weird electrical issues - that was an endless money pit.
     
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  9. tomc

    tomc Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Agreed. Our Cali has been pretty reliable, especially once we replaced the battery and got a new battery tender early in our ownership...T
     
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  10. 695

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    It just did again today :-( It has been nice weather all day, so the car has just been left with the roof down and driven multiple times and apart from the first two trips the roof will not close.

    So I'm going to leave it in the garage over night on the charger and see if that fixes it again. I put a multimeter on the battery (car not running) after putting it in the garage and the battery said 12,7V
     
  11. 695

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    It did again today. First drive this morning no problem, all other trips over the day, will not close. It's dirty I know, pollen season is starting and I can't wash it with the roof down ;-) It just stops in this position.

    I put it in the garage over night and on the charger to see if that fixes it. Checked the battery with a multimeter (car not running) and it said 12.7V

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  12. vjd3

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    If you are getting a "roof failure" beeping message on the TFT display when it occurs, it is most likely a faulty Hall sensor in the roof wiring harness, it senses the position of the roof and if it detects something implausible it will stop the motion to avoid further damage. The trick is determining which sensor it is, but the dealer should be able to fix it. The factory had to assist the dealer on my 2013 a few years ago. If it works perfectly some of the time it's less likely to be some sort of structural issue.

    You can also check behind the little removable flaps on the inside sides of the trunk and see if there is any hydraulic fluid leaking out of the rams.
     
  13. 695

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    I lean towards it having something to do with the battery. A night with the charger on and everything is okay again. It is reassuring in itself, even though we have the Power Warranty, that there is not a leak or a sensor that is impossible to find.
     
  14. tomc

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    How old is your battery?
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  15. 695

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    The Ferrari sticker says 'FAST 2019-09-09'
     
  16. tomc

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    Three years seems old for a Ferrari battery. They're notoriously poor. I'd look into replacing it and maybe upgrading your battery tender and seeing if that makes the issue go away.

    T
     
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  17. bb2thdr

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    I agree that's its probably an electrical voltage issue. Your battery is old, and if you have the HELE starts stop function, then your battery is probably toast. Voltage is only one factor, Amperage is the other. When you have the issue, is the car running? are the lights on? stereo blasting? any other draws on current?
     
  18. 695

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    Old :) My kid's Audi TT Quattro Roadster from 1999 is running a 15 y.o battery and no issues no matter how long it sits and never had a tender on it.

    It was on the OEM tender all winter, but I have been using a Ctek MXS 5 since it came out of the garage.

    No HELE, car running, only DLR, no stereo, no A/C on yesterday. I'll find a new premium battery and put in.

    Anybody knows if the Power Warranty is affected if you replace the battery yourself?
     
  19. tomc

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    Lol. Love those old TTs. All of our other cars - Porsches, Ford trucks, Japanese pickups and SUVs, etc. - can be parked under a tree and left for weeks. Start up first time, every time. Try that with an F-car and it's going to be one Grumpy Gus! [emoji2]

    Ferrari batteries are in a class by themselves. And it's the class with all the bad students and trouble makers!

    Seriously though, there are a few threads on battery replacement. IIRC it's more fiddly than difficult. Not sure about the warranty implications.

    T
     
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    Think of Ferrari Batteries as if they were a 2 year learning to potty train. Sometimes they work as expected and sometimes they poop all over the place.
     
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    And here I thought Range Rover batteries were behaving badly ...
     
  22. HollywoodRich

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    Can’t hurt to check the hydraulic fluid. Easy enough. I recently replaced both roof latches. Replaced the battery at the same time. When the latch goes the roof will not latch closed.
     
  23. 695

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    will have the dealer check it when it's in for service later in May, but as it closes no problem with a fully charged battery, I suspect the battery is the issue
     
  24. 695

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    The new battery is of course in back order so it will not arrive until mid next week. The intermittent errors is still there. So took the voltmeter out just to check. So after a spirited drive the battery will read 12.55V when not running, 12.69V with the tender on and 13.91V with the car running in idle. 13.91V in idle seams low to me, I would expect above 14V. I know that you normally say between 13.5V and 14.5V, but the car seams to prefer the higher voltage.
     
  25. bb2thdr

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    My Cali rests at 13.1 V after sitting in the garage without a tender for a few days. Only time I get down to 12.6 might be right before I crank the engine because all the CPU's are drawing power and such. So definitely seems like your battery is done.
     
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