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Brake Booster Re-Build

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  1. Mondial 1985

    Mondial 1985 Formula Junior

    Jun 13, 2012
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    Greenville, SC
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    Mark Alan Day
    Can you guys suggest a good place to have my Brake Booster (just the booster - master cylinder and everything else is fine) re-built. Maybe also an estimate of the what they'd charge? I've been researching some reputible places (I've found some of them in Hemmings, etc... -have actually contacted them, too). I'm getting quotes of anywhere from $250.00 to well over $500.00. "White Post" wants $500.00 and "Brake Materials & Parts" wants $250.00. Both are known as very reputable shops.
    Thanks
     
  2. bartzagato

    bartzagato Formula Junior

    Aug 7, 2010
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    What's wrong with the booster? A booster is a simple tool to assist the brake pressure. Google to how stuff works, I bet it's explained there.

    Most failures are: broken check valve or vacuum hose. ( those things are external, so no need for dismantling).

    A booster is nothing more than a tin box with a loaded spring against a rubber gasket who divides the box in 2.

    I my opinion: if you want an other: buy it second hand or look for a gasket. The 2 halves could be seperated to bend all the sides a bit more open with some pliers and turn half an inch to unlock.

    This is the least difficult part of a car. ;)
    I'm sure you can handle it yourselve. :)
     
  3. MvT

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  4. bartzagato

    bartzagato Formula Junior

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    What says Ferrari's prontuario tempi on the rebuild of a booster? 50€ for parts, and 250€ on labour???? I rebuilded my master brake cylinder & booster of the Lancia + mounting in the car + bleeding the super duplex system in an afternoon. (It was the first time I did this, so it could be done faster)

    I looked in the workshop manual for clear explanation, but there was aparantly no ( italian) interest for any info on the booster.
     
  5. MvT

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    #5 MvT, Feb 4, 2014
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    Most rebuild kits are around the price of 75€/USD :) Labor rate of a mechanic per hour is about 50 to 60€(VAT not included). My guess is that it is the same in USD for our fellow US owners. The Mondial Brake booster is not that easy to take off to be honest :eek: Took some patience.. ...and some nasty words hahaha

    but this is doable yourself indeed! :D
     
  6. Mondial 1985

    Mondial 1985 Formula Junior

    Jun 13, 2012
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    When I mash on the brake pedal, it barely moves. Y'know how if the engine shuts off while you're driving, the brake pedal becomes hard as hell to push.... that's my issue. It's hard as hell to push and gives very little braking. I know enough about cars to know that it is the booster (vacuum assist, etc...). I've checked the "check valve", pedal operation, spring, connections, and the hoses. Everything is OK. I was gonna take it off myself, then send it for repairs. I just didn't know why someone would charge $250.00 and someone else would charge $500.00.
    Thanks guys.
     
  7. Mondial 1985

    Mondial 1985 Formula Junior

    Jun 13, 2012
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    That rubber diaphragm may be faulty. When I mash on the brake pedal sometimes, while idling, the rpms change. That means something in the booster (vacuum???) is causing air, (or lack of air) to either be injected or sucked out through that check valve.
     
  8. MvT

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    #8 MvT, Feb 4, 2014
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    You have rubber and rubber :) Might be that the 250 USD guys use an inferior type of rubber and parts material. This is just crossing my mind knowing that having quality rebuild parts is costing somewhat more.

    Ask what kind of kit they use and what it would cost if you do it yourself. This way you know at least the price difference in the kits they use.

    HTH
    Tijn
     
  9. bartzagato

    bartzagato Formula Junior

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    If the rpms change I think check valve is messing with you: it should only be one directional. The blow off is to the open air.

    If you are gonna send it over for overhauling, do open it yourself. You might solve your answer for free. If not: you know what's wrong and what you'll pay for.

    If I find the time, I'll take a closer look at the Bonaldi boosters I have for an explanaition.
     
  10. Mondial 1985

    Mondial 1985 Formula Junior

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    Thanks guys, like I said, F-chatters are the best. I think I'll take it off and look inside myself. I've done a lot on Mercedes Benz (since that's what we own), and I mean a lot, but I've never cracked open a brake booster.
     
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  12. deeprivergarage

    deeprivergarage Formula Junior
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    Have you checked to make sure that there is a large amount of engine vacuum at the booster end of the vacuum hose from the engine to the booster while the engine is running?

    Check any auto repair manual for a vacuum brake booster diagnosis. They are fundamentally the same.

    Top Power Brake Booster Questions

    If there is no vacuum at that end of the hose, the booster will act like the engine is not running. Hard pedal and very little braking without a lot of effort.

    The vacuum hose comes all the way from the engine and could be collapsing in an area you cannot see while the motor is running.

    My experience is that you will hear a vacuum leak if the booster diaphragm is leaking.

    It is a good idea to watch a you-tube video on how a booster works or at least looks at some diagrams. They are not complicated, but do fail, but not often, especially in a car with little ambient heat near the booster.

    If you have another car with a similar type brake booster, you could pull the vacuum line off of the other car at the booster while it is running, to compare the amount of vacuum at the booster.

    I have taken them apart and patched the rubber diaphragm in the booster, but I really don't recommend that as a long term repair.



    Good luck,
    Jerry
    DRG
     
  13. Mondial 1985

    Mondial 1985 Formula Junior

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    I have and there is vacuum coming from the hose at the booster connection.

    Check any auto repair manual for a vacuum brake booster diagnosis. They are fundamentally the same.
    Top Power Brake Booster Questions
    If there is no vacuum at that end of the hose, the booster will act like the engine is not running. Hard pedal and very little braking without a lot of effort.
    The vacuum hose comes all the way from the engine and could be collapsing in an area you cannot see while the motor is running.
    My experience is that you will hear a vacuum leak if the booster diaphragm is leaking.
    It is a good idea to watch a you-tube video on how a booster works or at least looks at some diagrams. They are not complicated, but do fail, but not often, especially in a car with little ambient heat near the booster.

    I actually think I will try that first.

    I have taken them apart and patched the rubber diaphragm in the booster, but I really don't recommend that as a long term repair.



    Good luck,
    Jerry
    DRG[/QUOTE]
     

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