Brad Penn motor oil?

Brad Penn sent me a couple of cases to try on the engine dyno. It appears the same as the old Kendall. All the stuff sent to me was a blend, synthetic and petroleum mix. It showed good on the dyno, didn't seem to break down, steady temps, etc. I'd use it again.

 

Porsche guys seem to swear by it, including a bunch who did (or had done) testing on various oils. Something with the zinc levels being higher than most, leading to reduced cam and other wear.

 

They are likely referring to the ZDDP additive package that is missing from most motor oils. You are well served by having the ZDDP additive package if your car has a flat tappet engine to reduce wear (not an issue in newer cars). I just use Redline.

Scott

 

Brad Penn is produced by the American Refining Group whose refinery is located in Bradford, PA. http://www.amref.com/ Before AmRef bought the Bradford refinery, the previous owner sold off the Kendall name to what is now Conoco-Phillips.

 

I have been using Brad Penn in my BB512i for a couple of years now and have been well pleased. www.bradpennracing.com

 

More history http://www.oil150.com/essays/2009/02/kendall-refining-co

"In 1966, Witco Chemical acquired the Kendall Refining Co. in an exchange of stock. Witco invested $13,000,000 in the Bradford refinery in the next ten years and increased their holdings of producing property in the Bradford region. Witco moved their Amalie refining operation to Bradford in 1971 and manufactured both the Amalie and Kendall product line at the Kendall Refinery. The capacity of the refinery grew to 10,000 barrels by 1986.

Witco Chemical announced in 1995 the firm would sell the Kendall Refinery. Witco sold the Amalie and Kendall brands to the Sun Company in August 1996, but Sun did not want the Bradford refinery. Witco had no plans to continue to operate the refinery. In 1997, Witco sold the Kendall Refinery to American Refining Group, Inc."

 

Brad Penn is a sponsor of the AA Fuel dragster team I'm on and our crew chief is the West Coast Distributor. I've asked him to get me a quote for 10W50 and 10W40 case lots. How many of you guys are interested in a bulk order? Shipping would be expensive (from North-Central Nevada).

 

I was doing some research on Brad Penn, came across this thread in "Bob The Oil Guy's" forum:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=36&Number=1180282&Searchpage=1&Main=90139&Words=%26quot%3Bbrad+penn%26quot%3B&topic=0&Search=true#Post1180282

At the bottom of page 2 a not so flattering oil analysis was posted from BlackStone labs of the Brad Penn 20w-50. A second analysis was posted on page 5.

I too know a few people who use Brad Penn in their track Porsche's with no oil related issues to speak of.

 

just changed my oil.
was using the castrol syntec part synethetic 10w-40 in gabriella (328).
after much dancing around with castrol to get an honest content of zddp,
decided to switch to brad penn 10w-30 racing oil.
i don't know why castrol was being so "duh" about their oil but attitudes speak
volumns to me.
sent off a sample of this year's castrol to blackstone labs.
hopefully the castrol was not an impediment to the engine.

 

hot off the presses....
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Thanks for posting! I'm going to start sending in samples every spring.

 

How much does it cost to have an oil analysis run?

I am currently running Brad Penn 20w-50 in the Mondial, but am a bit nervous it doen not have a high enough level of zinc after looking at some of the reports on the bobistheoilguy forum. I would like to know what the additive makeup is of the oil I have sitting on my shelf. I bought it specifically for that reason since all the ZDDP was mandated out of new "regular" oils.

Also, what are they looking for in a used oil analysis to help them determine the health of the engine?

 

An oil analysis is around $20 - $25. I buy Redline for the ZDDP additive package. The oil analysis will show you what normal wear levels are for certain metals and what levels your oil contains.

Scott

 

scott,
i believe that you only get the higher zddp levels with brad penn racing oil.
at least that's what the salesman in the plaid suit with patent leather shoes told me.

 

A friend of mine looked into this for me a while back and this is what he stated:

"Use oils rated SL or SG-- do not use SM rated oil. Comp Cams specs Rotella T ( must be CI-4, not CJ-4) Redline has the recommended additive package, Amsoil MAY have it, apparently Brad Penn (Dino)( formally Kendall-GT) (( about $5.00/QT)) and Swepco (Dino) (($7.00+ /Qt)) have it.Racing/ off road type oils are probably OK, but may not have much of a detergent package.Apparently Quaker State and Pennsoil are Ok in the heavier weights if they do not have the SM rating"


I just went to Redline's website and they sell a separate ZDDP additive package which they describe as follows:

"Red Line’s new Engine Oil Break-In Additive (Part #81403, MSRP $12.95) provides conventional motor oils with antiwear additives like zinc and phosphorus (ZDDP) necessary to protect against camshaft and valvetrain damage on break-in.

This is especially important in flat-tappet engines where bigger camshafts grinds and higher valve spring pressures are now popular. This additive is designed to allow pistons rings to seat properly, while allowing other engines components to avoid excessive wear.

A 16oz bottle treats up to 12 quarts of motor oil, so in many cases one bottle can serve two different engines. This product can also be used in conventional and synthetic oils during regular operation, providing an extra package of protection otherwise not found in most motor oils."

http://www.redlineoil.com/products_motoroil.asp?productID=122&subCategoryID=1&categoryID=1

I have simply been using Redline in my 911 without the extra additive package.

Scott

 

might be worth a look.....

http://www.bradpennracing.com/Zinc.html

 

I was under the impression the SM rating was the "new" low ZDDP class oil. It's actually GF4 which has a maximum ZDDP of 800ppm. I keep seeing the "magic number" is a minimum of 1,200ppm.

Here is Mobil 1's Q/A on ZDDP:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Zinc_Motor_Oils.aspx

Mobil 1's spec sheet - you can see the 800ppm oils are GF4 rated:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf


GF-5 is just around the corner:
http://www.gf-5.com/?gclid=COCEyK_rk5kCFQHHGgodLBaEaw

I would like to know the exact levels are without the additive package. A dirt cheap and easy to find solution is the blue bottle of STP oil treatement. It's simply a thick oil with a high concentration of ZDDP


EDIT - found this oil analysis from Blackstone Labs on Redline 5w40

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1389537&fpart=1

 

Brad Penn makes a great oil. Just make sure to get the "Racing" oils they produce, i think that's all they produce, not sure. Regular street oils in general have been subject to EPA requirements essentially getting rid of all the good additives. I run Brad Penn in my Porsche, Alfa, and 330 GTC. I've been experimenting with it in my BMW track car. The blackstone oil analysis confirmed BP to be a good oil in the BMW!!! The price is great too.

 

Rotella T6. Fully synthetic. 5-40. 1200 PPM zinc. I use it in everything. Around $23/gal.
Gtsbruce

 

I just checked and WalMart has Rotella T6 5w40 for $53.18 for a 2.5 gallon jug. My GT4 takes 2.34 US gallons. I'm going to give it a try.

 

I guess this is different than Brad Pitt motor oil?

 

This is heavy duty truck/ diesel oil with is design for low soot output. How does this affect gas engine

 

Mobil 1 15W-50 has 1300 PPM zinc, 1200 PPM phosphorus. SN A3 B3

 

Awesome - which team?