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boxer 19271 restoration

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by Newman, Dec 8, 2011.

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  1. Spitfire

    Spitfire Formula 3

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    You put it all so very eloquently, and there's more than a grain of truth in what you say.
     
  2. wlanast

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    In true Hudson fashion!

    Thanks for the Boxer porn, those NOS parts are a sight.

    Again, kudos to your full committment and Newman's expertise, and patience from you both. A masterpiece in the making, I am certain.

    Kind of puts in perspective the debate some of us on this board have had regarding how much a proper restoration might cost and what is involved. 19271r will be the benchmark for years to come.
     
  3. kimbo 308

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    Not to criticise you Spitfire, because everything about this restoration has been awesome to watch...


    but please tell me your not going to use those switches for the power windows, so so wrong for the car!



    Kimbo
     
  4. open roads

    open roads F1 Rookie

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    Holy moley.

    That snuck right up there.

    Congrats on the 10K.

    Also, on the work. It is really outstanding. You know you are a car nut when you feel the endorphins running just thinking about the other guy's car.

    WOW !!

    :)
     
  5. Spitfire

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    Well spotted -- the window switches are not the right ones, but they're the best we have until we find the correct ones. If you know where to find a pair, please PM me.
     
  6. kimbo 308

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    Not being 100% sure.


    Are they the same as the BBi model?



    Kimbo
     
  7. Spitfire

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    Not sure about that until I can check the parts manuals, which will take me a day or so as I'm now on the road.
     
  8. kimbo 308

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    Ok did a bit of research.... bb512i are different.

    These are the right type and look for a BB512.... Check the prongs(Paul should know?)


    Hope it helps?

    Kimbo
    34344000 Switch Power Window for Fiat | eBay
     
  9. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    Hollow silver arrows is my belief, all the carb'd cars here have them. I found white hollow arrowed switches which at a glance might pass.
     
  10. Spitfire

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    Yeah, and really bloody hard to find. Typical!!!
     
  11. Crowndog

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    A search on Amazon.com with "illuminated window switch" will bring up these as well as illuminated versions.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  12. Spitfire

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    So, I saw 19271 today for the first time since it came out of paint. I'm not going to lie by saying that it took my breath away blah blah blah, because it didn't! Clearly some explanation is required -- the weather is pretty awful at the moment, so I viewed the car indoors, under artificial light, a few feet up in the air on a lift. Nevertheless, my initial impressions are as follows:

    The black paint (not talking about the boxer trim here) has bits of rubbish in it, and it's somewhat rough, and the odd run is evident -- it's just as the factory would have done it, so in other words, it's perfect!!

    The finish on the Rosso Dino is hard to describe, so please bear with me. Look at an original unmolested car (Paul has several examples at his disposal) and you'll see that orange peel is evident in the finish, and that it's relatively high frequency orange peel (okay, I know that I'm inventing terms here). The paint on 19271 is better than original, but there's still orange peel in it, only it's low frequency orange peel if you know what I mean, because it has benefited from a degree of wet sanding. If the professionals were to spend another couple of days wet sanding the finish it would be mirror-smooth and perfect, only that would be far too good. So, I can say that what we've achieved with the finish is better than factory, but not as good as it could be. But because we're aiming for Cavallino, we need to be careful NOT to over-restore.

    Next steps are to turn it into a rolling chassis. Therefore, on my next visit to Paul's workshop we'll be able to wheel 19271 outside into natural daylight, and that's when I expect the real beauty of this work to reveal itself.
     
  13. turbo-joe

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    great to hear you are fully satisfied with the work until now.

    as you have seen the car on the lift a few feet in the air is the best way to check if the paint job has been done well or not. also with the artificial light you see everything. what you don´t see at this light and this position you never will see it outside at daylight.
     
  14. kaliforniakid

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    I seriously can't wait for the next post by Newman on this one. I check twice a day to see if anything has been posted. The other resto's thread's by you are fab as well.
     
  15. CarbBoxer

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    Spitfire- could you reveal where you got the side marker lights?
    Is it marked "Carello 10583"?
     
  16. Spitfire

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    I found the marker lights a couple of years ago on eBay, but I don't recall the exact details. Paul, what Carello number is marked on the lights?
     
  17. Spitfire

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    #642 Spitfire, Feb 2, 2014
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  18. Newman

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    #643 Newman, Feb 25, 2014
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    Suspension is just about ready to go in. Ill be putting the shocks together tomorrow.

    All new brake lines in with flat silver plate like original and yellow zinc fittings. Brake reduction valves were rebuilt but plated clear zinc so I painted them black like original including proportioning valve but machined surfaces are left natural.

    Rear hub uprights will get final detail where paint is removed from all machined surfaces then assembled with plated hardware.

    Rear stub axle nuts are black for one side and yellow zinc for the other to distinguish them from right hand thread and left hand thread presumably for the assembly line workers to get it right without thinking.

    Ive noticed the red paint strokes on the rear coil springs of boxers but not on the fronts. It has been the understanding here that the paint stroke is to denote spring rate but the 308's have the same paint ID color but impossible to be the same spring rate. My theory is the rears were painted with a red stroke and the fronts were not. The front boxer springs have 11 turns the rears 10 but without counting its pretty hard to tell them apart since they are the same free length front and rear.
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  19. Twickersdude

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    Impressive....
     
  20. Newman

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    #645 Newman, Feb 27, 2014
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    Left side stub axle has right hand threads which is denoted by the yellow zinc castle nut. The right side is a left hand thread and has a black castle nut.

    Choke fuel supply manifolds are different on this 76 in that they are longer and more hand made looking. Not sure how long they continued this way before switching to the more refined look with a flare on the end of the main tube. The 365's never had these so this is the beginning of that system.

    Rear hubs assembled. Ill add the yellow inspection marks as the car goes together.
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  21. 4rextc

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    Awesome photos, but a bit depressing for everyone else that has an "average" Boxer. I know mine will never look as pristine again!
     
  22. ferraripete

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    I was thinking the same thing. what a FULLLLLLLLLL resto happening here!!!!! tremendous work paul.
     
  23. dwhite

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    Paul, Please let me know what plating is on the suspension? I have my car in for new bushings and I'm going to have all the suspension bits replated while its apart. Is it cadmium? Thank you.

    That is going to be one gorgeous Boxer when done.
     
  24. English Rebel

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    Coming together nicely. Reminds me of the time I did a full restoration of a 64 Triumph TR4.
    Alan
     
  25. 4right

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    Hey Paul. Your wife is going to get pissed if you scratch up those nice wood floors!
     

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