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  1. swift53

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    #1 swift53, Mar 23, 2023
    Well, much to my disappointment, I could never get ahold of a 212, :oops:.

    So, it has become time to potentially put the tool kit on the market, as I really have no use for it,
    and in all likelyhood, the 212 is in Shangri-la.

    It is a thoroughly complete, 100% fully non-original tool kit.
    Never has been used, just some lovely patina.

    Spoke to Bob Smith (of Bob Smith Coachworks) a few days ago, a very nice and kind man,
    and he confirmed he is NOT making anymore of any kind.
    I am really torn about selling it, as I will never find another one.

    But, on the other hand I absolutely love it, a real work of art.

    Bottom line, I was offered $18,000 right when the pandemic started, and the deal went South.

    If you are entertaining a very close offer, I am interested in talking.
    If I sell it, my son will cut my throat.

    Please PM only.

    Regards, Alberto


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  2. tazandjan

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    #2 tazandjan, Mar 23, 2023
    The good old days, when a tool kit let you rebuild the engine.
     
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  3. swift53

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    #3 swift53, Mar 24, 2023
    And also, were qualified to do it:cool:!
    You are so right, the good old days, when you did not throw appliances away,
    you simply repaired them.

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    #4 swift53, Mar 26, 2023
    Just to give myself an alternative, I wrote BaT.
    This is what I got back...

    Well, BaT, and I quote:

    "Hi Alberto,

    Thank you for taking the time to complete the submission form for your Ferrari 212 took kit. It looks like an interesting collection, but at this time it is not quite right for the focus of our site.

    To give you some additional perspective, we are a curated marketplace and are very selective with what we accept for auction, ultimately listing less than half of all submissions. We are almost entirely focused on vintage automobiles, with motorcycles as a smaller but significant portion of our listings, and the occasional engine, part, or accessory.

    In general, we tend to select well-presented enthusiast vehicles that are not readily available on the used car market. Your tool set is interesting and desirable to the right buyer, but it is simply outside the focus of our site and for that reason we would not choose to list it.

    We truly appreciate every submission and would be happy to work with you on a future automobile. I hope you continue to enjoy the site."

    'Nuff said.

    I replied:

    "Dear Mr. Glass,

    Thank you for your response.
    I am curious as to some items, that are far less interesting, yet you list them.

    There are Mercedes 300 tool kits as well as Porsche 365 often listed, yet mine is a most unique item.

    Of course I respect your opinion, yet, it appears you have a slight bias.

    Best regards,
    Alberto "
     
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    #5 tazandjan, Mar 26, 2023
    He probably had no clue what a 212 was.
     
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    #6 EFerrari34, Mar 27, 2023
    It’s true that they decline most items when they are submitted. Some buyers have been burned by trying to authenticate tools in the past so they’re very cautious now. At least that’s the story I was told. This is probably your best Avenue. The tools you see now are primarily from sellers they have a relationship with.


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    #7 swift53, Mar 27, 2023
    You are absolutely right Tim, yet, I fully disclosed that is a remake of very rare tools and box, by someone
    considered an "artist" in the restoration field. They could not care less.

    Besides, half of the tool kits they post, have fake / wrong tools.

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    #8 EFerrari34, Mar 27, 2023
    Darn; that stinks. Well, I was with Bob today amazingly. He was telling me about your tools. He made each & every tool based on the authentic ones. Amazing guy.


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    #9 swift53, Mar 27, 2023
    Yes, Bob is amazing, and a really nice guy. His tools are 100% spot on...
    We spoke about my set, so he remembers :)

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    #10 swift53, Apr 20, 2023
    No more comments? Well, at the end, I am just going to keep it unless it is of real value to someone with a 212.
    Otherwise, no point at all in selling it.

    It is a too well made kit not to keep, it is a great set, looks the part incredibly well,
    looks as if made in the era, and at the end, not really a life changer, fortunately.

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    #11 Jack-the-lad, Apr 20, 2023
    Why not put an ad in Ferrari Market Letter? It’ll get a lot more knowledgeable eyeballs than BAT.
     
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    #12 EFerrari34, Apr 20, 2023
    I think you’re making the right move keeping it. It’s a very rare item, but most of the cars have their tools by now. It’s a very cool set. I would keep it advertised b/c you never know if someone will be looking for one years down the line.


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    #13 FerrfanFL, Apr 21, 2023
    I submitted a perfect 5 piece 430 luggage set with dust covers for submission months back. They declined the submission, but yet 2 days later they listed 2 more sets of Ferrari luggage. I definitely think they have bias/favorite sellers. I have a 5 piece tan 430 set that i plan on submitting but i know what the response is going to be.
     
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    #14 lagunacc, Apr 21, 2023
    Fchat, collectingcars, pcarmarket are BTB all respects. Better products. better prices. better transparency.

    BTB - just do it.

    (..... P&R ....)
     
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    #15 lagunacc, Apr 21, 2023
    That was "in all respects".
     
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    #16 swift53, Sep 13, 2024
    Ok, we are back with the tool set. For sale again. $25,000, or incredible trades.

    I have seen much more common SWB, TDf's tool sets for more, yet not remakes, as I would love to see someone do a remake of a 250 tool set, any.
    100% correct, a pretty much impossible feat to do, besides the nosebleed prices.

    https://www.6carb.com/collections/tools/products/1960-64-ferrari-250-tool-kit-swb-gto-gte-lusso

    My set will NEVER be remade. Period. None for sale, anywhere.

    Not flexible at all, and + shipping and insurance, and clearly, signature requested. Oh, and the spark plug tool is not part of the kit.

    This way, my son won't kill me. So if truly interested, please PM.

    Thank you for looking again.

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    #17 Edward 96GTS, Sep 13, 2024
    maybe bob smith will by it back for a project?
     
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    #18 KC360 FL, Sep 14, 2024
    It absolutely saddens me to see things like this. We have become a walk of life that has almost no appreciation for craftsmanship and incredible talent. Internet "influence-ers" have seized the collective minds of too many-- and of those, it is shameful how little they know about fixing a simple faucet leak. Technology is king and creating with your hands is nearly valueless to far too many. AI creations are revered as "art"

    All new cars for the masses are sold on "tech" --and "design" strategy barely has a seat at the table.

    Ok, I'll take my soapbox and go now... ;)
     
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    #19 KC360 FL, Sep 14, 2024

    Sounds like someone with the means and resources needs to finance a start up to catch the overflow. Maybe "BAET" (Bring An Enclosed Trailer) :D
    Apparently BAT is making quite a buck to be so selective and play favs.
     
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    #20 375+, Sep 14, 2024
    In the past week I submitted Ferrari manual sets to BaT(250, 275 GTB/4, 365 GTB/4, 246 GTS, 288 GTO and F40). All had factory original pouches, books, dealer directories--some with original warranty cards. Offered at No Reserve. All were declined.
     
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    #21 KC360 FL, Sep 14, 2024
    WOW. Certainly changes my opinion of the BAT powers that be. Ridiculous.
     
  22. swift53

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    #22 swift53, Sep 14, 2024
    Evidently, they do not like us, yet they keep on offering incredible items as this. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/wheels-45/
    Not even a $1 bid. :rolleyes:

    Your sensational (pouch) items stand to make them gain considerably more

    You might be best off finding other alternatives, like selling tube ' chassis imitations of a 275',... including a manual set with pouches.
    Regards, Alberto
     
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    #23 Bertocchi, Sep 14, 2024
    I had begun to reproduce this same tool kit when I was restoring 212 #0235. The late Sherman Wolf allowed to copy his original kit and I must say your tool kit is very accurate. I actually had a few tools made in Italy which turned out to be a mistake. The tools would perform the designated task but weren't authentic, very disappointing.
    Best of luck with the sale.
     
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    #24 swift53, Sep 14, 2024
    Bob Smith, top of the line :)

    Thank you David!

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    #25 swift53, Sep 14, 2024
    If Bob Smith was in that line of business at the time, possibly he made them for Ferrari ;)
    They are absolutely gorgeous, even if I don't know anything about them.

    Even the locks / hinges / screws, on the box are so Italian, they are perfect.

    I am still having 2nd thoughts, sell it? Irreplaceable. :eek:

    Regards, Alberto
     
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