#302 owned by Luigi Macaluso. Overall winner in the Cartier Style et Luxe at Goodwood Festival of Speed 2004. Another pic (my Grifo 7L in the background - won "Best of Both Worlds" class) Good day for Iso & Bizzarrini! Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thank you for your comprehensive reply I have a formative recollection of a red one driving (well stuck in traffic actually) past my office on the Kings Road at 5 pm one Friday about 25 years ago !
From Giuseppe Prevosti (Varese, Italy) collection. In upcoming RM London auction 31 October. Claims chassis number BA4 0102. Bizzarrini America, fibreglass, IRS.
Back to interesting story behind the recreation of ECKSTEIN Gerhsrd P578-006 This week end, I ve been to Italy to see Gilberto Panizza and get greats details. 1 = Roberto Negri and Axel came to see his fake, took photos and send them to America ! Panizza told me that he never saw Gerhard ! 2 = On the invoice, the car was sold as a special built sport GP 006 for Gilberto Panizza 3 = Chassis was built in 1997 and car was finish in 2001. The car was built by Luigi Moreschi (a friend of mine), now remember LM CAN AM Corsa description catalogue, LM = Luigi Moreschi 4 = The car was imported in USA with a fake invoice. For the Bizzarrini Book, I do my own research and don t trust people, I verify and if I didn t do it, I will be making the same mistake as Jack, writing that this particular car is a post somethings... Concerning the other members, I known that you will prefer that everybody cover your friend, it s not the case. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ho, and I have writing papers from Panizza for all theses details. This car is burn like his owner. Panizza ask me to investigate to protect him, as he sold a GP own built car, not a P578-006. Concerning the Iso forum, I m not part of it because it s full of people hypocrit and I don t make books with hypocrit people! After the Bizz book, I ve made Alfa TZ book, Porsche 904, Official De Tomaso and with always the same intergrity. We cannot please everybody when you relate the facts. No Eckstein and you will have an agenda against me as I demonstrate that you cover somethings ! Photo = BO 202 Image Unavailable, Please Login
I don't think anyone who has read all the postings on this thread could possibly say I want anything more than to discover the truth about Bizzarrinis and Isos. It is depressing to be attacked for doing so. I am not a dealer (I've hardly ever managed to sell any car for a profit!), therefore I have no ulterior motives, unlike some I could mention... When a car comes up for sale, like Bizzarrini #340, which has some features that appear much too early for such an exceedingly late chassis number, it raises questions in my mind. Why should this be? Why doesn't this fit? Yes, the car appears to have paperwork stretching back to the time of its birth, and the chassis number stated agrees with the one stamped on the vehicle itself. The car is certainly very old and real, but why does it LOOK like an earlier car?? Could it be that it was for some reason re-numbered by Bizzarrini? That seems the most likely possibility. Clues can be found - for instance, simply removing a door trim and looking to see what number might be written on the back of it in grease crayon could reveal an earlier number. If it was my car, I couldn't wait to do it! Then, perhaps a seller would not want to delve too deeply in case he found something more devious from the car's past life. It might be safer to say "as you know, Bizzarrini was bizarre" ...
PO, You demand information from people so you can write these books, your upset when car owners won't give you information, yet you continue to post showing the world your displeasure with life. Why would anyone in their right mind want to give you information on their car knowing what the consequences could be? It seems to me that Isobizz is well informed, polite and tried to provide what he knew, yet you post his private emails with you !! Outrageous
Thanks for the info. Shame he died (but i suppose everybody does at some point). I hope his widow gets a good price for it. I'm confused now. I thought AHJ 1 was #297. #305 is/was in the USA ?
All the experts who known very well Bizzarrini known that the numerology of the cars built have no sens. Why vin 340 was built and sold in 1968 when vin 330 was not build in 1968 ? I have no idea. Did vin 340 was the last car built ? I have no idea, surely not as some others numbers below was not built at this time. Is it possible that the exact date of construction of the cars have nothings to do with chassis number ? YES, I believe it. Then, the fact that a car have early features just means that he was built in 1968 and that other cars was built later. Easy to understand for everybody. Photo = BO 202 where we can see how large the car was in the back...Given to me by a honnest owner ....lol Image Unavailable, Please Login
It may be that Hugh had that number on #297 at one time. But it is now on the car he kept - #305. #305 was previously 490 SYE. #297 went to Italy in 2000. Both cars originally came from Oliver Kuttner in Virginia, USA in about 1988-90. I don't know of any other #305.
Mister Lackner, The evidences show that you cover the trick of eckos1. Nobody invited you here. Nobody asked you to stay. You are free to go back to your private club, where a new plot could be done. If you want to stay, you are welcome as everything is open here and nobody has an agenda. We welcome your experience, and I understand that you had no interest to start a polemic with eckos1. Olczyk is different, he will fight for the correct infos and will print it. You instead will keep your infos for your database. Different approches, different styles.
Just to set some things straight. 4 persons, incl. myself, visited Panizza a few times.We even made some pictures showing two persons (incl. myself) and Mr. Panizza together, while chatting. The P 538 version can be seen in the foreground. Panizza only knows me with my actual, real name and not with a wrong one given by someone else, unknown person to most. There are several people out there with the same last name. The wrong ones are getting pounded with some filthy emails. I personally did not receive any. Interesting is a claim, I quote:" On the invoice, the car was sold as a special built sport GP 006 for Gilberto Panizza. All of a sudden the number 006 came up !!!! But the actual content of the private invoice is different.!!!! Someone else claimed in the official auction catalogue of Coys 2002 that this car is a 1983 built one. If this would be incorrect who made willingly this wrong claim???? That is a interesting point!!! The Panizza car was never imported to the USA. Therefore no invoice whatsoever can exsist. The car is still in Italy. Of course we can proof any of these above mentioned claims. All other claims and statements by someone else are irrelevant, misguiding and wrong.
No idea on the s/n, but this is the car owned and restored by Harald Ellinger and Robert Voos of Dreieich/Germany which was shown earlier in this thread. See www.icp-borla.de.
For what it's worth in this thread, i am enjoying all the posts, and admire the knowledge of these cars (whether 100% proven or not), and as i have no agenda either way, i can sit back and watch the squabelling, but i must say... i wish the people who have the ability to put all the info together and get it right , would put their heads together in a nice way and make some sense of the differing opinions. I'm sure plenty could learn a few things from each other regardless of how much info each single person had. Enjoying the thread though!!
Harris, How do you know PO will fight for correct infos(sic) and print it? Simple.....drum roll please....................... j. Harris, Clause 248, L. lococo, are all the same guy ....Olczyk! Harris, how many other special friends do you have?
Interesting thread with great photos. When is the Bizzarrini book ready? And how / where can I get a copy?
Many thanks, Andreas! perhaps we can pin this one down yet! Do you remember about what year(s) this car was owned by these gentlemen?
Excellent point R33 but as you can see there is a lot of flak on this flight through bizzarrini air space. As they say the cream rises to the top and if this thread lasts long enough you will see the cream. From the people that I have spoke with in the Iso and Bizzarrini clubs most cars have been documented. There is an excellent book on Iso cars by Winston Goodfellow that most agree is very accurate. In his book he details the relationship Iso had with Bizzarrini , but gave almost no details on Bizzarrini chassis numbers. In the past few years a number of books have come out on Bizzarrini and as you can read in this post not all agree. Many Ferrari owners now understand how important Bizzarrini was to Ferrari and it's racing efforts, so demand is up , and the prices are on the rise! Enter the people who want to make a buck/euro off of the cars and you have oil and water. Buckle up and enjoy the ride.
