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Barn find Alloy Daytona coupe on ebay

Discussion in 'Vintage Ferrari Market' started by Chelle, Sep 12, 2004.

  1. Zupra

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  2. billnoon

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    Hey Guys,

    Dont waste your time chasing down this car. Have been in touch with all
    involved and the car is a normal steel car. Alloy body notation is
    incorrect.

    Car needs a full restoration, ie; everything top to bottom. If the car
    where just a nice driver it would be worth $120 to $125K landed here in
    the states.

    Back up your expenses for duty, shipping, imporation, restoration etc...
    and unless there was about $75 to $100K in the trunk you are upside down.

    Very sadly the car is worth far more in parts than it is as a whole. Kind
    of sad.

    As to some of the other comments about "barn find Ferraris" plenty of them
    out there. The problem is that most of the "farmers" despite the
    condition of the car know the vehicles values.

    I have a better one for you sleuths...the Ferrari Sports Racer at the
    bottom of a lake...The Factory Team Testa Rossa with a prominent owner and he does not even know he has it....original unrestored, untouched 250
    Monza sitting in a lock up as last abandoned in the early 1960s while a
    full replica runs around at all the races using this cars identity...should I go on...

    There are plenty of mysterious most of which will never be solved...

    Good luck to all with passion and adventure in their hearts... keep digging!

    Regards,

    Bill Noon
     
  3. El Wayne

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    Interesting to know. One more Ferrari mystery laid to rest. Thanks, Bill.
     
  4. bert308

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    I don't see why an alloy car is worth that much more, the weight difference won't be more than like 20kg/40lb or even if it is more, with a 4.4 ltr V12 the weight advantage is hardly noticable? Or is it just the rarity factor? There was an unique alloy 328 on ebay but it didn't generate much interest.
     
  5. El Wayne

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    Rarity. If it had been alloy as described and reported by Hil Raab, it would have been the only street Daytona originally bodied in all alloy. IIRC, the 328 had been rebodied, no?
     
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    Yep, but make sure you are not followed ;) ...

    If anything should happen to you, we will make sure we tell the press all about it :D

    Pete
     
  7. BigTex

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    My understanding is a Houston Owner returned the 328 the Italy for an aluminum rebody...???

    Was last seen at Wilhoit Enterprises. The problem seemed to be the red/black interior in a yellow car.

    Micheal told me he might have to redye interior to solid black to move the thing......
     
  8. Ken

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    I saw that 328 at Fox Valley a couple years ago. Sharp car; at the time "somebody" was asking $55k for it.

    Ken
     
  9. toto70_0

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    Just had a call from Japan.

    Car exists and is alloy, but owner does not want to sell it. The guy on Ebay just tried to get an offer and would have gone then probably to the actual owner to buy the car.
    Maybe one day it will still end up in Holland.
     
  10. bert308

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    But is it the car in the pictures? If so, what is the owner planning to do with it, keep it another 20 years there or restore it someday and keep it/sell it? If he wants to sell sometime it would be more economic to sell it as is, instead of restoring it first and then try to get your money back.
     
  11. toto70_0

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    I was told that the owner is just not interested to part with his Daytona, and money is probably not the issue.
    I can understand that because sometimes you just have a special band with a car you own, even if you deal in cars you have that, so why should a private party not have that.
    And if the owner makes a wise decision that is to him.
     
  12. billnoon

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    THIS CAR IS A NORMAL PRODUCTION STEEL BODY WITH STANDARD ALLOY DOORS, DECK-LID AND BONNETT AS WERE ALL EARLY DAYTONAS. LATER CARS HAD STEEL DOORS DURRING A PRODUCTION CHANGE.

    THE CAR IS DERELICT AND WORTH PARTS ONLY.

    ANYONE TELLING YOU OTHERWISE... IS TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING!
     
  13. bert308

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    Then either the quoted serial number is not correct, or Wayne A is wrong...
     
  14. El Wayne

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    Bert, the information I posted was according to Hillary Raab's Ferrari Serial Numbers: Odd Number Sequence. You'll notice that, as soon as I posted a complete list of the cars stated in this reference as being alloy-bodied...

    ...that it was quickly pointed out to me from someone with first-hand knowledge that the last five cars on that list were not alloy-bodied cars (I posted an "edit" stating such). Ferrari history is a constantly evolving thing. No one has laid hands on every single car and new information comes to light all of the time, as has just happened.

    I have no reason to doubt that Bill has verified beyond a doubt that the car is a steel production car (especially considering his connections in Japan). Time for us all to take a pen and update our Raab books. It won't be the first time.

    Bill, thanks for sharing with us.
     
  15. toto70_0

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    Then somebody is wrong at the factory I was told by the factory that the car #12653 is completly alloy not only the doors and hood .But maybe this car is not the real #12653 and we all what happend in those days with some cars changing numbers. But maybe somebody at the factory was wrong.
    We will see in the future.
     
  16. Yquem

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    Very interesting thread. Thanks Fchat. This is the kind of stuff we all wanna have.

    So conclusion is that 12653 will keep in Japan and it's a regular production Daytona no fully-alloyed right????

    Cordiali saluti,
    Joren REMANS
     
  17. Gatarz

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    My take is that at this point, the conclusion is inconclusive.
     
  18. Meeyatch1

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    ...any insight as to why he is just letting it sit there and gather dust...and lots of it?!?!?
     
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